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post #41 of 166
6/30/04 at 11:36pm
That be the one. Thanks AT. Clarifies the issue substantially.
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post #42 of 166
7/1/04 at 10:48am
Thread Starter 
good news. only 2445 for 4750v now that's a bargain. yay we have facts G! and ur right a similar 8790 comes out to 2697 (with WSXGA). I wonder where the $200 went?
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post #43 of 166
7/1/04 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by OGREtheBUFFOON
I wonder where the $200 went?
Better processor, better chipset, more video RAM, RAID hardware, and if I remember correctly, the 8790 had better cooling when it came out when compared to the 4780 (and since the chasis looked to be very similar).

Sorry, couldn't resist after seeing all the AMD fanboi comments on here lately.
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post #44 of 166
7/1/04 at 1:28pm

4750 vs 8790

I wouldnt say that the intel is a better processor, the Amd runs cooler and has longer battery life. For the college folks like me that want to take advantage of the wireless network, hit the cafe or the library and type a report. To me it seems like the 4750 is the one for me. In addition to the comment on the 256 memory card, really, cmon now, thats just ridiculous amounts of more memory. It only increases the fps by like 3! Most people dont even really have the need for the RAID option. It seems to me that the 4750 is just the better computer for the average gamer these days. It's cheaper and has longer battery life while not compromising on gaming power. I know it doesn't have dual channel memory, but the AMD processor makes up for it.....Just some thoughts 4750 all the way
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post #45 of 166
7/1/04 at 1:42pm
My 9021-O is better than all of your puny machines! The only donwside of such a powerful computer as this is that I can only use it while in Beverly Hills.. Ohh well.. Life style of the rich and famous

Both of the machines that are being discussed sattisfy certain markets.. Personally, you get what you need.. If I could have the 8790 with all 4750's features, I'd get that, but if I could have a 4750 with all 8790's features, I'd get that.. Right now, neither one has the one feature I really want.. PCIe, so I won't be getting either!



...Though I do hope an equivalent of 8790 with PCIe or 4750 with PCIe comes out fairly soon.. All technical benefits of Intel or AMD aside, I won't deny it.. I like the AMD 64, if nothing more than for bragging rights, so I'd prefer a PCIe machine with AMD 64..
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post #46 of 166
7/1/04 at 2:00pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Crispy
I wouldnt say that the intel is a better processor, the Amd runs cooler and has longer battery life. For the college folks like me that want to take advantage of the wireless network, hit the cafe or the library and type a report. To me it seems like the 4750 is the one for me. In addition to the comment on the 256 memory card, really, cmon now, thats just ridiculous amounts of more memory. It only increases the fps by like 3! Most people dont even really have the need for the RAID option. It seems to me that the 4750 is just the better computer for the average gamer these days. It's cheaper and has longer battery life while not compromising on gaming power. I know it doesn't have dual channel memory, but the AMD processor makes up for it.....Just some thoughts 4750 all the way
amen crispy.
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post #47 of 166
7/1/04 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by Crispy
I wouldnt say that the intel is a better processor, the Amd runs cooler and has longer battery life.
If that's what you're after, then compare the 4750 to the CL56. Anyone who buys the 8790 for battery life.. I've got a big bridge to sell.

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Originally Posted by Crispy
In addition to the comment on the 256 memory card, really, cmon now, thats just ridiculous amounts of more memory. It only increases the fps by like 3!
The memory isn't about more FPS at low resolutions. It's about detailed textures, higher resolutions, etc.

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Originally Posted by Crispy
Most people dont even really have the need for the RAID option.
Then they shouldn't be comparing the 4750 to the 8790.
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post #48 of 166
7/1/04 at 2:36pm

more comments

I'm in G's corner. This is like comparing a VW to a fully loaded Hummer with nightvision. It's an urban townhouse vs a suburban splitlevel ranch. The 47 fills the "costeffectivenofrills" slot. The 87 is a loaded Ford Navigator with a chrome ball hitch. It's vinyl seats vs leather. The 47 will run anything decently. The 87 will run anything decently, only more of it and let you watch cable tv, listen to web radio, cut a dvd, monitor security cct, compile program, access webphone, share files, play games simultaneously etc.etc.etc. without breaking a sweat because it's just simply a friggin' monster with acres of real estate.

Ok, so it's not for everybody. So it costs a bit more. Was cost even as issue? It was at one time. My 8500 it cost $4200 in 1999. Every fives years the gates of heaven open and you get to get a new system. When that day rolls around [and it cometh soon] I'll be ever-so-happy to cram in whatever upgrade PCT has to offer. I can't buy future but I can make the present very comfy.
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post #49 of 166
7/1/04 at 2:42pm
um, the amd can play pretty much any games and burn cd's as well.
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post #50 of 166
7/1/04 at 2:43pm
and dvd's
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post #51 of 166
7/1/04 at 2:45pm
OGREtheBUFFOON,

What is your definition of a KING laptop?
  • Best performance?
  • Best performance/dollar?
  • Most amount of "goodies"?
  • Longer useful life?

For myself I'd say a KING laptop is best performance and have not yet been convinced that the 4750 can take the 8790 on this issue...however (as I keep stating) I'll wait for benchmarks. It seems from most of your posts/replies that your KING laptop is Best performance/dollar of which I am not sure on because all prices of the upgrades on the 4750 are purely speculation but could probably be reasonably estimated. They seem pretty close. Goodies is a no brainer: 8790. Longer useful life: I would currently say the 4750 has the 8790 here but that is purely based on 64-bit processor of which I don't think will be fully useful until 3 years down the road or so. (by "fully useful" i mean making the 32-bit processor obsolete)

So: what is your definition of KING?
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post #52 of 166
7/1/04 at 2:47pm
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Originally Posted by mayaman2
um, the amd can play pretty much any games and burn cd's as well.
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Originally Posted by mayaman2
and dvd's
That really does not say too much. With the exception of "most games", the same could be said of my four year old NP3363V with .8Ghz PIII CPU and 8Mb GPU.
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post #53 of 166
7/1/04 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by kerbrown
OGREtheBUFFOON,

What is your definition of a KING laptop?
  • Best performance?
  • Best performance/dollar?
  • Most amount of "goodies"?
  • Longer useful life?

For myself I'd say a KING laptop is best performance and have not yet been convinced that the 4750 can take the 8790 on this issue...however (as I keep stating) I'll wait for benchmarks. It seems from most of your posts/replies that your KING laptop is Best performance/dollar of which I am not sure on because all prices of the upgrades on the 4750 are purely speculation but could probably be reasonably estimated. They seem pretty close. Goodies is a no brainer: 8790. Longer useful life: I would currently say the 4750 has the 8790 here but that is purely based on 64-bit processor of which I don't think will be fully useful until 3 years down the road or so. (by "fully useful" i mean making the 32-bit processor obsolete)

So: what is your definition of KING?
It must be an AMD 64 -
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post #54 of 166
7/1/04 at 2:49pm
at 50 fps or higher?
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post #55 of 166
7/1/04 at 2:58pm
I really don't see how the 8790 is this great all and mighty computer, I mean sure it is a great computer i agree, but really what makes it the hummer with nightvision. I know its a DTR but really, if i am at an airport and i have a 3 hour lay over like i just did, and my computer craps out in 20 mins while playing games and listening to music, then we got problems. I like to think of the 8790 as a hummer with night vision in respects that sure its a big ass honking beast, but that B**** is a gas guggling machine. The 4750 is more like a suped up hybrid, it can go fast while conserving energy. Both are great cars, but which one will you get the most use out of?
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post #56 of 166
7/1/04 at 3:05pm
Well in that case, just go in between and get the 5690
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post #57 of 166
7/1/04 at 3:08pm
I want the AMD Processor!!!!!!!!!
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post #58 of 166
7/1/04 at 3:08pm
Since it obviously bears repeating, will offer a quotation from a prior post (found here):

"Your final choice should be based on what in particular is best for you the end user, including (but of course not limited to) performance, support (both customer and technical), and budgetary restrictions. Be certain not to get caught up in a numbers game, in regards to performance; this unfortunately happens all too often. Also, do not put off a needed purchase waiting for the next generation of any particular component. While the motivation for such is understandable, being without a needed machine is far too costly a performance gain any newer wave of technology will afford. In short, choose the machine that best suits your needs at the time you need it."

To that end, this entire concept of this thread seems rather pointless. Each individual has their own set of needs (and wants), and therefore each individual may have a personal opinion as to which machine suits that set of desires best.

Comparing needs is quite fruitless, and thus comparing the solution to said needs follows in kind.
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post #59 of 166
7/1/04 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by G-Omaha
It must be an AMD 64 -
That seemed obvious right off the bat...nothing to be ashamed of but it seems to be an overriding bias on his part.
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post #60 of 166
7/1/04 at 3:25pm
Thread Starter 
alright guys, apparently i'm an amd fanboy. Actually i'm more of a better processor fanboy, which happens to be amd right now, try and prove me wrong. I don't see why you think the 8790 is so much better as far as features. the only differences in features are as follows (correct me or add to this list if i'm wrong): 256 ram vs. 128 on 9700, tv-tuner or 12 cell battery, 2nd HD, 7-in-1 card reader vs 3-in-1, dual channel ram vs. amd cache size
other than that what makes the 8790 a hummer and a 4750 a VW? More like a tricked out V-12 truck with a trailer, and a stock V-12 truck with a bigger gas tank.

my definition of king in order of importance:
1. performance (cpu, gpu, hd, ram, etc.)
2. price
3. screen
4. features
5. battery
6. looks

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so let's tally it up:
1. performance - still debatable, but I think the 4750 will perform slightly better. +1 for 4750
2. price - when comparing similarly equiped machines, the 4750 is about $200 cheaper. +1 for 4750
3. screen - same screen. tie
4. features - 8790, no contest. +1 for 8790
5. battery - with amd, 4750 gets an extra 30min-1hr of battery life, but 8790 has 12 cell battery option. tie
6. looks - they're both sleek stylish sagers. tie

so far 2 to 1 in favor of 4750 according to my system. others would obviously find the 8790 a better machine based on their priorities.

still ... 4750 is t3h r0><0r!!!
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