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post #21 of 42
i dont wanna detract away from the current discussion of intel p4 and amd64,

but the p-m is something new and faboulous for laptops that intel has to get some props for

The Pentium M processor is the most important of the three, and it has been much-anticipated by those who value battery life over raw performance. It uses 25 watts at full maximum, compared to the >100W a Pentium 4 3.4GHz Hyper-Threading processor uses. This allows laptops to be smaller and lighter because the cooling system requirements are much lower, and it dramatically improves battery life.

the amd dtrs run at 75-80w i think and the low powered mobile amd64 in the ferrari uses 35w...

Because increasing the processor GHz also increases the power used, Intel created a more efficient design with the Pentium M. The Pentium M is set to slow down to 600MHz when at idle (where it will consume only 6W), and then just like using a gas pedal it will accelerate to its rated speed when you ask it to do more than just simple typing. This also greatly improves battery life without losing any of its impressive speed.

clock for clock. the p-m is better than the p4. but amd64 is still the most efficient clock for clock.

Then, with the recent introduction of the new "Dothan" version of the Pentium M, the L2 On-die cache is now FOUR TIMES that of a Pentium 4 (2,048k as opposed to 512k used in the Pentium 4).

With its efficient architecture, and the extended L2 On-die cache, the performance of a Pentium M is roughly 1.7 to over 2 times that of a Pentium 4 processor. L2 On-die cache is where the processor stores the instruction sets that it uses most often
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http://www.powernotebooks.com/centrino.php

the predecessor to the p4, will be dual cores based off the pentium-m. its a new and exciting thing from intel coz finally after so long of marketing "more mhz is better" with p4s, intel is scraping that idea (mainly coz they were hitting heat barriers in upping presscotts cpu speed) and going to a naming system where their cpus arent labeled after their MHZ... something amd started coz they were making faster and more efficient cpus than intel even tho they were lower clocked
post #22 of 42
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Originally Posted by Youhou
Wouldn't be suprised if it did shift in one year as I'm sure large businesses will start wanting 64 bit technology for their servers to have things run faster and the gaming market will go with whatever their favorite sites and magazines are saying is better.
I have no research at all to back this up but I thought most big business already have 64-bit servers running. I thought that Intel's Itanium chip was a 64-bit chip...just priced way out of the personal computer market and so it was never a factor. I'm too lazy currently to do some research on this but maybe in the next few days I will.

Does anyone already have their research done on this topic (business servers and 64-bit computing)?
post #23 of 42
so is amd's opteron, which i think is targeted at the same market.
post #24 of 42
Thread Starter 
This is a good thread with lots to read and think about. The sneaking suspicion that we are approaching a major technology roll out fills the air. You can feel the train a'comin. Yesterday I spent some time chatting with sales from Siemens, Toshiba, Phillips, Hitatchi and others and around late afternoon, when they were all getting lubed , up I catch on that third quarter is "new release" time.

With that said some discounting is soon to occur throughout the market. I don't want to get the last new horse on the lot while wondering what those sleek metal things with rubber tires are that are that come to replace hayburners. The news reports Intell cancelling various efforts. They wouldn't be number one without something up their sleeves. A late summer smackdown between the two giants fills the marqee.

Being on the literal equinox of a major change is both exciting and uncomfortable. I must purchase soon and just hope I can hold out a couple of more months to be on the dawning of the new tech and not on the twilight of old faithful.
post #25 of 42
64-bit cpus have been out for awhile

amd was just the first to make a consumer level 64-bit cpu

i think marquisdarquis can shed some light on this

sun has had a 64-bit cpu for awhile i forget what its called
post #26 of 42
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Originally Posted by kerbrown
I have no research at all to back this up but I thought most big business already have 64-bit servers running. I thought that Intel's Itanium chip was a 64-bit chip...just priced way out of the personal computer market and so it was never a factor. I'm too lazy currently to do some research on this but maybe in the next few days I will.

Does anyone already have their research done on this topic (business servers and 64-bit computing)?
Gotta admit I did no research on that before I posted it , it was just what I assumed big business would do when this sort of thing comes out and I just spoke too late, lol.
post #27 of 42
I think it comes down to a matter of preference. 64-bit processor have been around for a while. The info I read on the new presscotts form intel are suppose to have 64bit encoding in them as well as dual cores. Both AMD and Intel have strong and weak points. Again it is a matter of preference.
post #28 of 42
The future is 64 bit. The now is 32 bit. The interm 2-3 years will suport both quit well. If one buys a 32 bit CPU at this time I do not think he will be left out in the cold 3 years down the road. If one buys a 64 bit CPU now in antisapation of things to come, 2 years down the road things will change to such an extent to make it folly.
I guess what I am trying to say is live for today. A machine life is only 3 years at best and really only 2 years. Get it. Get what's hot now and let the future go. The chipset reveluation will make 64 bit things happen, we do not have a 64 bit chipset that does that now, so how could you get a machine that unlocks the real power? In a year or so we will have one. But until then it is all theory, speculation, hear say, just stuff.
post #29 of 42
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Originally Posted by Youhou
Gotta admit I did no research on that before I posted it , it was just what I assumed big business would do when this sort of thing comes out and I just spoke too late, lol.
No problem...

Awesome movie btw....Grammaton Cleric
post #30 of 42
the 64 bit does perform as well as if not better than the intel at running 32 bit software. remember it is fully backward compliant. so in effect it is powerful enough now and it seems that the socket 734 chipset will be used for awhile so that means the laptops are upgradeable. i think it was soyboy who stuck a 3200 amd 64 dtr in a acer ferrari, and it worked although it raised the heat level a bit.
post #31 of 42
I think the only real reason to go 64bit is the added maximum RAM addressing.

32bit chips can address 4gb of RAM, so by Moore's law, if high-end systems today need 1gb, then in 36 months they will need 4. If standard systems need 512mb, then in 54 months they will need 4.

Thus 64bit will only be really needed in 3 years, with full adoption required in 4.5 years... but it will be sooner than that because marketing can sell the "64bit future" very effectively.
post #32 of 42
plus 64 is a better number than 32.
post #33 of 42
64 bit isn't just about ram. 64 bit OS's and apps will run much faster. It's just like the way N64 made the SNES look like a turd.
post #34 of 42
hey lets not talk crap on snes.
post #35 of 42
i was just talkin bout graphics. snes still has some of the best games.
post #36 of 42
gba > * sorry
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post #38 of 42
yes it is. its like a portable snes. and it has advance wars 1-2.
post #39 of 42
why won't pokecrap die?
post #40 of 42
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Originally Posted by OGREtheBUFFOON
64 bit isn't just about ram. 64 bit OS's and apps will run much faster.
Nope. 64bit = longer addresses = more data to copy for every function call.

There is an old article on osnews.com about the speed of 64bit software. Basically it is slower intrinsically, but certain apps can benefit from it in round-about ways.
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