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the ipod does what it's meant to do extremely well.
abf: how many songs are you going to fit on a pocket pc. Last time I checked, they didn't have 20GB or 40GB Hdds
Maybe 1GB is enough for your needs, but many others require more. ipods are awesome for the large majority. You're the "minority" in this case. Also, keep in mind that the axim's battery isn't going to last 12hrs like the new ipods.

Tourney...have you checked out iTunes Music Store yet. If not, prepared to be blown away.....it is simply awesome the "nifty little features" they've included.

For instance, you can choose to browse the Billboard Top 100 songs of every year spanning back forever (I'm too lazy to check the exact year....).

Tourney....so is your main reason for purchasing an iPod to take advantage of the songs offered on the iTunes store?

Yes, also because I find it to look very nice. One of my friends has the dell dj and the ipod is much more easier to navigate as well as less bulky.
don't listen to abf.

Hehehe...I already know...I'm a VERY proud owner of a 3G 15GB iPod.

One more question....are you going with the 3rd generation....or the lastest release of iPods?

latest release, only because I need as long of a battery life as possible.

Ok one more thing......if you get it from Best Buy or Circuit City....DEFINTELY get the extended warranty.

The newest incarnation of the 40 GB comes with a dock (if you're wanting that).

AND above all....get an iTrip...I played around with a friend's....simply awesome....I have one coming to me as we speak (darn UPS man can't get here fast enough).

My friend has an ipod. It's soooo nice.

Ahhhh....if only I was a millionaire with tons of money to spend....I'd buy all the deserving people out there an iPod.

not abf, he wouldn't want one. He'd want......a Dell!!!

Emphasis on "deserving"

im going to get an ipod as well, i like the 4G look and the click wheel/longer battery. That and they are doing free laser engravings on apples site until sept so I might get 2, one of the GF to surprise her

Ohhhhhh....get your GF the pink mini.

A word of caution on engraving your iPod.....due to the fact that it becomes "personalized"....retailers get really bitchy if you try to exchange it or whatnot......in the event something ever happens to it, and you need it replaced, it would be a lot less hassle if you had a non-engraved iPod to begin with.

But whatever floats your boat, engraving it is still a cool idea

in my first post i did say that the Dell was a little more on the "bulky and ugly side" than the iPod, but the IMO, the iPod is STILL UGLY!

thats your opinion abf and thats fine. As for the pocketpc part, All digital mp3 players have screens, and all have a OS of some sort to organize with folders and such. The linux OS your talking about is made by third party people/companies and the programs to use as a PDF and other options are also third party so you shouldnt blame apple for that. Apple made the ipod to be a mp3 player and it does just that pretty well. Other people are just modding it with different programs and such to suit their needs. Its your opinion sure, but your making it sound like its a fact that the ipod is the devil or something.

i am not trying to be-anti apple or anti-ipod or anti-anything for that matter, i am just bringing up reasonable arguments why the ipod might not be as good as all the rage makes it seem.

though on the other hand, there is also linux for XBOX and PS2 which also have hdd, a modem, keyboard, mouse and a screen (Tv) which give it all the components of a basic computer-like system. and that is no need to call a PS2 a "wanna-be pc" because it is really ment for just playing games.

Dustpap, although I agree that the iPod is a high-quality player, saying it is the "best" is simply generalizing. It is the best in some regards, yet it is beaten by others in other regards. This is what's making my choice in a MP3 player difficult. The iPod is great, it offers probably the best integration with a computer host (through iTunes), has the best virtually bug-free firmware, the best design, among other iPod advantages that you probably already know. But it definitely does not have the best sound quality (that goes to the NOMAD Jukebox 3), it doesn't have the longest battery life (the ZEN Touch is the new champion), it's lacking many standard iRiver features that I used to use constantly (FM Tuner and voice recorder), and it doesn't offer anything like the codec-compatibility of any iRiver player or the Rio Karma. In fact, the iPod lacks many features that a hardcore audiophile might need, such as playback of the OGG Vorbis and FLAC codecs (which are often times preferred over MP3, and FLAC is lossless), a real parametric EQ, and gapless playback/crossfading. When you said that iPod is the best, it just means that those aspects where the iPod is inferior do not matter to you, or that you are ignoring those aspects.

Delta, I don't think I could've worded it better myself! That was a great comment, and I think you really are telling the truth on the whole matter. Each has there strengths and weaknesses, but I really agree with you on the audiophile part. I've heard some songs that were encoded with FLAC and I thought it was incredible. I thought Ogg Vorbis was an awesome format but FLAC was just awesome. Any player that natively supports either of those formats would be a true champion, because the filesize is very small for how incredible the sound quality is.

I just listen to the voices in my head. No problems with batteries, there's nothing to steal, scratch or lose, the fidelity is perfect, they don't bother anybody else and best of all, they cost nothing.

They also give me great advice.

While all that is completely true, I believe I already mentioned why iPod was the best.

Though others may support different formats or far superior audio quality to that of the iPod, OVERALL iPod is the best HD-based mp3 player on the market. Every other one you mentioned has questionable build quality and/or very, very shoddy technical support.

I always try to keep an open-minded opinion, and I have seen firsthandedly the advantages of other mp3 players in direct comparison to that of the iPod.
However, overalll iPod still remains the best mp3 player currently available to the general public.

Like I mentioned previously, it won't matter if your hard drive holds 60 GB, your player costs $100 less, and it supports every known format to man.....if your player quits working after several months of solid use......that should be a warning sign to any consumer NOT to purchase it.

I still firmly believe the iPod is the BEST mp3 player on the market.....especially for your average Joe.
For anyone else out there looking for something more, go ahead and purchase an iRiver, Rio, or Creative. Just don't freak out when it stops functioning as advertised and the company gives you the run-around in your attempts to get it serviced.

Dustap, if you read what you wrote, it sounds something like "The iPod is not a very good player in regard to others out there, but because apple has unmatched tech support, it makes ipod THE BEST". First of all, Creative has a good build quality. Among my friends nobody ever had a problem with a Creative product be it a set of speakers, a sound card (i have creative live!) or anything else Creative for that matter. I've heard nothing but the best things from iRiver owners too, meaning there aren't that many problems with iRiver products either. Those companies have good quality control and you are clearly not keeping an open mind and just bashing everything non-apple due to you being an apple fanboy.