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Unbelieveable 50% speed boost in Mobility Radeon 9600/9700

post #1 of 112
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You know how your comp runs, everyone does, you know exactly what fps you get in rthdrbl or in the dawn demo. Or in the ATI demo's Debevec natural light, or in Farcry, etc. You know it is what everyone else with a machine of your spec gets too, because you check. You know your 3d marks, etc.



5 Minutes ago I did something that made all my FPS values shoot up 15%-50%.


I downclocked this computer.


This is a 5680, a Pentium 4 3.2 Ghz HT laptop, 800 Mhz FSB with 512 dual channel Ram. I had always ran it normally, but then I started looking around for something that would make it run quieter, cooler, longer and extend the life.

Why have it running at 3.2 Ghz all the time when I'm surfing the net? It just puts wear on the components.

So I found a tool to clock it down to say 2.6 or 2.4 ghz,.. more than enough for everything.



I clocked it down (first by hitting get values, then sliding the fsb, then clicking apply) to 2400.68. Any lower and the screen would freeze and it would need a reboot.


Imagine my surprise when, upon loading all my favourite demos, games, to see how much slower they had gotten, my surprise when I actually saw an increase in FPS in all of them! From 15% to 50%.


Before/After values:

Dawn Ultra Demo (1152x964, 2xAA): 17 fps went to 23 fps
Rthdrbl (ultra cool DX9b Highpass demo, default sett.): 29 fps went to 38 fps
Debevec Natural light (1024 0xAA) (the peak after 10 secs): 42 fps went to - 55fps


Even when I had overclocked my Mobility Radeon 9600 Pro insanely, I never got these sky high fps values, plus what I did get I had massive artifacting. Now it's like this is impossible, it just can't be, I checked radlinker, my clocks are still the same (defaults no less).

It just feels like this little trick opened up a whole other 4 pipelines in the GPU.


I can't explain it I got 50% more fps for free by down clocking???


Can people please check this out.



This is the tool

http://www.cpuid.com/download/CG-ICS952607.zip


If people with other laptops wanna try,.. my motherboard is the I865PE, but the file (CG-ICS952607) is listed as for another type of board but it works!, just goto the homepage for a choice of the different versions.




Downclock the 3.2 to exactly 2.4 (no less) to do exactly what I did, and check with fraps.



Very strange.





P4 3.2 HT (running at 2.4)
512 Ram
DX9b
Win XP SP1
Cat 4.7
Mob 9600
post #2 of 112
dont got a 5690 or a laptop at all or i'd check it out .... seems unbelievable tho..
post #3 of 112
that makes sense, less heat from the cpu allows the gpu to run faster, genius!
post #4 of 112
So if I downclock my 3.2Ghz to 1Ghz I should be receiving like a 500% increase in FPS? WHOO HOO. lmao
post #5 of 112


well i think there would be a point at which downclocking the cpu starts slowing the game down again, but this probably only affects cramped, hot, lappies. don't try this with your desktop lol

i wonder how far you can clock the amd's down, the 4750 could be the fastest lappy in the world if this works, someone try it quick!
post #6 of 112
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It won't down clock below 2.4 ghz, it freezes the system.

The temperature doesn't decrease increadibly, just to 43-47c in moderate use.

Anybody with a 56x0 just try it you people, I just ran CMD4 on the incar view at 80 fps, it only used to manage 50 fps!


Just try this, it is so weird how much speed you get.


I sort of demand an official explanation from Sager,...
post #7 of 112
This sounds really cool. Anyone know if this works with the 8890 mobo? Or if there's an equivelant?
post #8 of 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gold
I sort of demand an official explanation from Sager,...
Rather than demand why don't you take the intitiative and ask sager? Email them or call them.
post #9 of 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gold
It won't down clock below 2.4 ghz, it freezes the system.
well, you're talking about a 3.2GHz P4. I want to know about the athlon 3400+ in the 4750. It might clock past 1.4 GHz.

What is really bugging me now, is if the cooler, downclocked amd with powernow were put into the 8790 chassis (more room, better cooling) games would scream. and it would still be able to do cpu intensive stuff when you needed it.
post #10 of 112
lol what kind of response do you expect to get from Sager about this? What do they even have to do with the isuses? It's not just a Sager computer issue I'm sure it would be the same results on any notebook. Hell why don't u just go to Intel and complain lol
post #11 of 112
this should tell notebook manufacturers that laptop cooling sytems need to be revamped. a whopping 50% increase from just a little less heat. Maybe they'll have heat pipes or water cooling or something put inside laptops soon, anything is better than just a couple of fans and one or two small vents.
post #12 of 112
or it tells that downclocking has its uses.
post #13 of 112
that too
post #14 of 112
Thread Starter 
Don't you get it? GPU is capped!!

Have a 2.0 GHZ or a 4GHZ notebook it doesn't matter,.. your FPS will only allow the maximum that the Mobility Radeon can pump out at a SET clock speed. It is the BOTTLENECK.


This trick increased that maximum FPS tremendously without overclocking the Mobility Radeon. That's the strange part, games should only run faster if the mobility runs faster. And in this case the mobility is running at the same speed!


It should not be possible unless there is a design flaw that strangles the GPU (without decreasing clock hz?) when CPU runs at 3.2 Ghz.


I just ran Farcry at 60 fps on Very High ... what will this do for HL2 - Doom3.


I just can't explain this.
post #15 of 112
maybe the extra wattage is going to the gpu and its automatically overclocking.
post #16 of 112
gold, the maximum for the 9700 is inhibited mostly by heat. that's why downclocking the cpu helps so much.
post #17 of 112
Thread Starter 
So how does it run faster without increasing clock and mem speeds?

I thought the same and I checked Radlinker.

No, still the standard 351/250 clock speeds.


Hell a month ago I o/c'd it to 435/315 and set the 2nd fastest Mobility 9600P score in the world (on futuremark 3d03), even then it was artifacting like hell and the fps was not this high.

Now it's just smooth.



The heat reduction is negligible. Mobmeter shows 47c.
post #18 of 112
if you had an excellent heating solution you could probably clock it much higher.
post #19 of 112
He's NOT oc'ing the GPU.
This is WEIRD because the only thing to change is the CPU speed, not the GPU speed... thus, unless he is mistaken, something highly fishy is going on here...
post #20 of 112
lmao!!! Sorry, but a cooler laptop doesn't give better performance to a video card automatically. I don't know who posted that but I just had the laugh of the day. Heat will only do two things to a video card. 1- Cause wear and tear over time and 2- cause the card to crash due to overheating GPU. The system won't magically overclock the card and be faster if it's cool
Therefore this is not a temperature issue. I'll give this a shot tonight when I get home.
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