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post #41 of 135
7/27/04 at 6:33am
damnz i hope it comes out mid august, will purchase a laptop asap if so
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post #42 of 135
7/27/04 at 6:34am
that would kill any mobile graphics chip thats out so far. 5448 in 3D mark 03 is almost as much as my desktop which gets about 6000 or so with a GeForce FX 5900 256 Mb edition.

Too bad we dont know whether other companies will be able to use this supposedly "exclusive" chip... Would suck if only dell had it though wouldnt it,
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post #43 of 135
7/27/04 at 8:13am
it cannot i repeat it cannot be an exclusive chip
ati wants to do business.
period . it is stupid to ask the question if it wud be exclusive.
it wont. dont worry
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post #44 of 135
7/27/04 at 8:46am
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Dell 9100 P4/3,2 GHz, 512 MByte DDR400 and 80-GByte-Harddisk:

3dmark03: 5,365
3dmark01: 17,308


Uhh, wow. Those are pretty insane benchmarks. And I was sooooo happy I didn't even have to consider buying a Dell with the new Sager 3760 coming out in August. I sincerely hope this isn't some sort of deal where Dell has exclusive access to the video card for six months or something like that.
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post #45 of 135
7/27/04 at 9:06am
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ATI Unveils Mobility Radeon 9800 on ExtremeTech

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This new mobile GPU moves mobile gaming forward by a sizeable leap, but also won't likely adorn many low-end or light laptops. Instead, look for it in the big, heavy-chassis gaming monsters from Dell, Alienware, and VoodooPC.

For the Mobility Radeon 9800, ATI is able to clock it up to 350MHz, which is well below its desktop counterpart which checks in at 520MHz. Low-k dielectric does help ATI boost clock here and stay within thermal envelope constraints, however, an eight-pipe part still draws too much power and produces too much heat for a laptop GPU to push very high clock speeds.

What we find is that the Mobility Radeon is about 60% faster in terms of the overall score than its predecessor. Again, going from one generation to another, this represents a tremendous performance gain. This biggest single-game gain was in Halo, where the 9800 was 88% faster than the 9700.

This GPU will be available in Dell's high-end Inspirion XPS gaming laptop. For current Inspirion XPS owners who want to upgrade, Dell will have a program in place where you can have your laptop upgraded for $399.
Mobility Radeon 9800 previewed

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Imagine a laptop chip that can not actually fit in all notebooks, just in thick ones, but with almost double performance then before.

It's for "desknote" as the card is almost half the size of Radeon X800 generation of cards. You definitely cannot plug this into any thin and light or medium size notebook.

The firm said that this chip uses only a few watts at its best, up to 20W or 30W when you play 3D games.

There will be only a few design wins on this chip since one manufacturer is exclusively locked into this design and the M24 PCI Express core is just around the corner.
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post #46 of 135
7/27/04 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by kooloser
Its a shame that Dell has to support Intel only. I'm one with an open mind, but when a company supports only one other company, it seems to monopolistic...especialy if its one as powerful as Intel...
Dell would definitely open more doors by offering AMD instead of being an Intel only company. I for one would consider a DT if they went AMD.
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post #47 of 135
7/27/04 at 9:15am
I still find it strange that Dell seems to be getting teh first run exclusive with this gpu.

Its a damn worthy upgrade though!

Now to wait a few weeks and see if anyone crams it into a P-M setup.
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post #48 of 135
7/27/04 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by Roarak
Now to wait a few weeks and see if anyone crams it into a P-M setup.
Read all the quotes I posted. It doesn't seem very likely.
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post #49 of 135
7/27/04 at 9:44am
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For the Mobility Radeon 9800, ATI is able to clock it up to 350MHz, which is well below its desktop counterpart which checks in at 520MHz.
I sincerely doubt the review, if they can't even get the information correct. I have a desktop Radeon 9800 Pro, whose core frequency was stock at 378 MHz. The Radeon 9800 stocks at a slower 325 MHz. So, exactly how are they getting 520 MHz? Only the X800 XT Platinum Edition clocks out at 520 MHz. Last time I checked, the 9800 was not the X800, unless they're trying to imply that the Mobility 9800 is a laptop version of the X800. But, that's probably not true since ATI claims the X800 has 6 vertex pipes (not 4) and 16 pixel pipes (not 8). http://www.ati.com/products/radeonx800/specs.html I think someone got their data wrong.
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post #50 of 135
7/27/04 at 10:05am
its a tuned down version of the x800, with agp instead of PCI-E. It still uses the micro-architecture of the X800 and probably has some other simlitarities.
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post #51 of 135
7/27/04 at 10:07am
Nychold, the mobility 9800 is based on the R420 (x800) core, so thats where theyre getting the 520mhz. i assume that they called it the 9800 since the specs are closer to a 9800 than an x800.
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post #52 of 135
7/27/04 at 10:35am
http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/20040727/index.html

tomshardware just came out with a article on it

i guess its official
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post #53 of 135
7/27/04 at 10:35am
The Canadian pixel wizards picked Dell as its exclusive partner for the first four weeks after the MR9800's launch. In other words, in August, only specific notebook models from Dell, namely the Inspiron XPS (USA) and the Inspiron 9100 (Europe), will be available with the new processor.
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post #54 of 135
7/27/04 at 10:37am
the power consumption of the MR9800 is, according to the manufacturer's statements, about 30% to 40% above that of the MR9700 - despite the fact that the clock speed of the core is considerably lower at 350 MHz than that of its predecessor (445 MHz).
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post #55 of 135
7/27/04 at 11:01am
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It's for sale now on Dell's site (9100 and XPS).
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post #56 of 135
7/27/04 at 11:07am
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Wow, you can get a full 52 minutes of gaming out of one battery.

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It is also interesting to look at the power consumption during the tests: under gaming conditions, values went as high as 162 Watts...
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post #57 of 135
7/27/04 at 11:51am
Figures...I just get my new G3 and now this comes out. That always happens doesn't it. Now I'm really thinking about using my 30 day return.
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post #58 of 135
7/27/04 at 12:25pm
Why? Little performance to gain, but much battery time to lose.
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post #59 of 135
7/27/04 at 12:26pm
Would it really be worth it? You would have to get a Dell and then it will take some time for other companies to get it so you would have to wait even longer and by that time new laptops will come out that you want and the process would start again.
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post #60 of 135
7/27/04 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by Ferrari3200
Why? Little performance to gain, but much battery time to lose.

what are you talking about? i think it's quite a stretch for anyone to argue "little performance to gain" when you go from about 3400 3dmark03 with the 9700 to over 5500 3dmark03 with the new 9800. That hardly qualifies as "little" performance gain. As for battery life to lose......we are talking about desktop replacements, not portable "laptops" as such, you will have crappy battery life regardless of what graphics card that you have in the machine
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