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AMD 64 CPU Q&A

post #1 of 59
7/24/04 at 5:19pm
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Since this forum seems to be a source of vast knowledge, I have some questions, if you could be so kind as to answer them:

1: Which is the better processor for pure performance and power regardless of size or power comsumption issues: The AMD Athlon 64 Processor for Notebooks 3400+ (81.5W); or the Mobile AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3400+ (62W)?
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/..._10221,00.html
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...0_9486,00.html

2: Which is the best chipset for either processor, the VIA, SiS, or nvidia nForce Go?

3: Not entirely related to the title thread, but is there a real difference in screen quality between and XGA and an SXGA screen?

Thanks in advance.
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post #2 of 59
7/24/04 at 9:52pm
1. Both or neither, depending on how you want to look at it. I believe they both offer the same cache size an clock speed, so they should perform the same.

2. I honestly don't know anything about the nForce Go chip. On the desktop, the latest revision of the nForce3 chipset is the best for performance. I guess I should also caveat this by pointing out that this is in the case of a socket 939 implementation, I am not certain what the state of the world is in the 754 world.

DanW
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post #3 of 59
7/24/04 at 10:07pm
1. I'm takin a guess here and saying that just because the dtr proc uses more wattage it has more umph. maybe the mobile one is just more efficient with its power and the perform the same, we'll see.

2. idk much about chipsets

3. big difference. SXGA is more res, more clarity, and prob better viewing angles.
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post #4 of 59
7/24/04 at 10:43pm
The athlon 64 is faster in gaming and most apps. The p4 is faster in encoding, but it will not be when the 64 bit windows hits. nforce 3 for the 754 is the fastest by a very small margin.It usually comes down to the mobo. The soket 939 is abou 2-4% faster in raw speed thanks to it's memory bandwidth clock for clock....once agaib, not a big differnce. If there were radeon 9700 256mb laptops on the orb with athlon 64, they would be at the top...
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post #5 of 59
7/24/04 at 10:45pm
He didn't ask about the p4...
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post #6 of 59
7/24/04 at 10:59pm
Wow ok no difference than....
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post #7 of 59
7/24/04 at 11:07pm
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Originally Posted by ghostrider
He didn't ask about the p4...
yes, but what zxlr81 said is good to know.
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post #8 of 59
7/25/04 at 12:34am
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Thanks guys you sure helped out.

By the way I'm considering the Clevo D470K (4570 from sager) and the 8790, but I reckon any of you guys considering these should check these out. http://www.xtremenotebooks.com/index.html (Under the 17" moni section)
There identical to the sagers but a whole lot cheaper. I'm getting some more detailed specs on them and info on their customer service. post back later.

thanks again!
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post #9 of 59
7/25/04 at 12:55am
i just configured a 4750 over there for 2599, PC Torque has the same congfig for 2601 I think. Most of the Sager resellers have about the same prices so pick between them based on customer service first and foremost, that's why I'm going with PCT
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post #10 of 59
7/25/04 at 1:07am
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cool ogre but the 8790 equivalent, the prostar 8794 is way cheaper than at pctorque, but i certainly agree with u on customer service
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post #11 of 59
7/25/04 at 1:11am
are you sure you configured them exactly the same? other sites leave off things that are included in PCT's pricing and are listed only as options. i.e. internal wireless is standard at PCT but at xtreme it's an option for an extra $85. if you look carefully they are all in fact priced very closely together.
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post #12 of 59
7/25/04 at 1:18am
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Originally Posted by zxlr81
The athlon 64 is faster in gaming and most apps. The p4 is faster in encoding, but it will not be when the 64 bit windows hits. nforce 3 for the 754 is the fastest by a very small margin.It usually comes down to the mobo. The soket 939 is abou 2-4% faster in raw speed thanks to it's memory bandwidth clock for clock....once agaib, not a big differnce. If there were radeon 9700 256mb laptops on the orb with athlon 64, they would be at the top...
ok first off the pentium 4 is the best gaming processor right now, second he didnt ask for the pentium 4 anyway.

the "mobile" 65w a64 should theoretically be a tinnnnny bit less powerful than the dtr, i dont know if its noticable thou.

ill second with what ogre said that pc-t seems a reliable place to order from, support wise.
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post #13 of 59
7/25/04 at 1:21am
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Originally Posted by Sad Mr.Woo
ok first off the pentium 4 is the best gaming processor right now, second he didnt ask for the pentium 4 anyway.

the "mobile" 65w a64 should theoretically be a tinnnnny bit less powerful than the dtr, i dont know if its noticable thou.

ill second with what ogre said that pc-t seems a reliable place to order from, support wise.
wtfux0r?!? athlon 3400+ has almost always beaten the 3.4 P4 in gaming benches, don't incur the wrath of fanbois

pct all the way!
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post #14 of 59
7/25/04 at 1:42am
in 9600 days yeah but not currently. maybe some crappy benchs like the ones at gamepc.com show a64 winning, but they pointlessly underclock the 9700 in the p4 to math that of the a64....the sager 5690 is the highest benching notebook i know of right now, if you can show me something better id love to see some benchs.
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post #15 of 59
7/25/04 at 2:10am
amd's generally get the short end of the stick when it comes to laptops, the 5690 is clocked really high. if you had 2 idenctical machines, an amd will beat a p4 in most games. sorry i'm feeling to lazy to find benches, but why do you think ALL of the top machines at futuremark have amd's in them?
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post #16 of 59
7/25/04 at 11:04am
were talking about laptops and laptops only here ogre.
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post #17 of 59
7/25/04 at 11:17am
same difference ... I said "machines" meaning a lappy or a deskie. I thought it was common knowledge that amd has a slight edge in games, w/e
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post #18 of 59
7/25/04 at 12:38pm
from what I've seen p4 and 64 are very similar on synthetic benchmarks (i think p4 is slightly above), p4 is better at multi media stuff, but for gaming the 64 usually has by a long shot.
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post #19 of 59
7/25/04 at 12:41pm
good point xir, many synthetic tests are geared toward intels because they still have ~90% of the market. In actual games, athlons consistently beat out P4's.
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post #20 of 59
7/25/04 at 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by Apocalypse
1: Which is the better processor for pure performance and power regardless of size or power comsumption issues: The AMD Athlon 64 Processor for Notebooks 3400+ (81.5W); or the Mobile AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3400+ (62W)?
The Mobile Athlon 64 3400+ I would say, since it can be easier O/C'd.

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Originally Posted by Apocalypse
2: Which is the best chipset for either processor, the VIA, SiS, or nvidia nForce Go?
NVIDIA nForce3 Go, but not many laptops uses this great chipset unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Apocalypse
3: Not entirely related to the title thread, but is there a real difference in screen quality between and XGA and an SXGA screen?
The SXGA+ screen got much better resolution, 1400x1050 compared to only 1024x768 of the XGA screen. However, some XGA screens can have better viewing angles than most SXGA+ screens.
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