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M10 Mobile Radeon 9600 Pro VS GeForce FX Go 5600 (5900 now?)

post #1 of 20
5/13/03 at 5:47pm
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Hey all... with the advent of the new GeForce 5900 card line, I'm wondering how the next gen laptop graphics will even out. Anyone know if the Mobility Radeon 9600 Pro can beat out the GeForce FX Go 5600? I've seen desktop comparisons of the two chips, but never in their laptop incarnations.
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post #2 of 20
5/13/03 at 11:21pm

this f***ers

nVidia and ATI are doing product releases every 10 minutes, this is bad...
if you buy a 9800 pro with "super graphics"
tomorrow you have an old piece of junk inside your case, and that´s a shame
maybe while i´m writting this post a new card is being released
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post #3 of 20
5/13/03 at 11:46pm
IMHO, the 5600fxgo is lacking in performance. If you must go with NVidia you might as well go for th 4200go IMHO. The FX line minus the newest 5900 isn't all that. In terms of laptops the 9600pro will be your best bet though.
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post #4 of 20
5/14/03 at 3:30pm
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Thanks! Now I hope Sager put a 9600Pro in their new 56XX model.. hopefully before the end of the summer!
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post #5 of 20
5/16/03 at 1:46am
From the spec. I've seen on Tomshardware, it's seem Nvidia GeForce FX Go5600 is as powerful as ATI Mobility Radeon 9600. In fact Nvidia will have about 50MHz GPU clock higher than the ATI one.
You can read all the story here...

http://www6.tomshardware.com/mobile/20030324/index.html

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post #6 of 20
5/16/03 at 4:23am
You need to bring something besides Tomshardware if you want to make your point. It is generally accepted that Tom slants everything towards nvidia and intel. Read Tom's review for the geforce fx and then read the onese on www.hardocp.com , www.anandtech.com, and pretty much any other site to see my point.

The article you site doesn't even have benchmarks for the nvidia cards. This is Anand's similar article: http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.html?i=1802

ATI's desktop 9600 beats the 5600. I believe it will be the same in the mobility.


http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDU4LDE=
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post #7 of 20
5/16/03 at 7:25am
nvidia should just release a FX 5900 Go and beat ATI
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post #8 of 20
5/16/03 at 11:10am
Yup...I know about that... but I just want to show the spec. for both of them that I've seen.... not the benchmark... I know Tom can't lie about the spec.
To me it doesn't matter if it's either Nvidia or ATI as long as it's the fastest.
We all know that why GeForce FX 5900 with 128MB ram beat ATI Radeon 9800 Pro with 256MB ram... because GeForce FX 5900 have almost 100MHz GPU clock higher than the ATI one.
It's the same as why Intel Pentium 4 run faster than AMD Athlon... because Intel run at the twice higher clock than the AMD one.
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post #9 of 20
5/16/03 at 11:41am
hmm.. that toms hardware article seemed pretty neutral to me. They didn't show nvidia benchmarks because nvidia didn't give them anything. Ati's benchmarks were from a simulation. They even praised ATI for at least giving them that, while nvidia gave them nothing. The article is merely a preview, not a performance comparison. Personally, I bet they will have similar performance.


The odd thing is.. I had always seen Toms hardware as pro-amd when I was checking the sight daily. I haven't been checking it much for the past two years though, so maybe they switched.
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post #10 of 20
5/16/03 at 1:32pm
NOTE :-
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Beware of hardware which have higher base clocks. Those are just meant to do a one up on the competition. Increasing your base clock reduces the ability to dynamically clock your device (something we do regularly where I work) for different loads.

The best device is one with high performance owing to parts quality, design and materials AND a low clock setting.

Think again if you thought clock speeds is a good thing...ITS NOT!!

Of course...higher clock speeds ARE becoming the norm because applications demand this of the device. But even at these higher clock speeds there is a relative base speed. If you are higher than that then you are :

a] reducing the life of the device
b] reducing the ability to dynamically clock the device
c] reducing the ability to let the user overclock the device

Aah well...

Lower clock speeds = Better Device
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post #11 of 20
5/16/03 at 2:20pm
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Originally posted by Kasteo
Yup...I know about that... but I just want to show the spec. for both of them that I've seen.... not the benchmark... I know Tom can't lie about the spec.
To me it doesn't matter if it's either Nvidia or ATI as long as it's the fastest.
We all know that why GeForce FX 5900 with 128MB ram beat ATI Radeon 9800 Pro with 256MB ram... because GeForce FX 5900 have almost 100MHz GPU clock higher than the ATI one.
It's the same as why Intel Pentium 4 run faster than AMD Athlon... because Intel run at the twice higher clock than the AMD one.
If you enjoy any kind of quality settings with you vid card ATI spanks Nvidia and Nvidia does not always beat the 9800.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDcyLDE=
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post #12 of 20
5/16/03 at 2:27pm
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Originally posted by gsferrari
Lower clock speeds = Better Device
Umm no. A card, device, or cpu can be engineered to do more with less clocks. Like amd's chips, but a 3ghz amd is better than a 2 ghz amd. Any current graphics card performs better if you overclock it. Like AMD clock cycles are not the only determination of performance, but like I said I'd love for the current Amd chips to hit 3ghz.
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post #13 of 20
5/16/03 at 5:04pm

Re: this f***ers

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Originally posted by Feuer Frei!
nVidia and ATI are doing product releases every 10 minutes, this is bad...
if you buy a 9800 pro with "super graphics"
tomorrow you have an old piece of junk inside your case, and that´s a shame
maybe while i´m writting this post a new card is being released
What are you talking about? Competition is the driving force behind innovation. I am glad ATI and NVidia are doing battle. It will lower costs and make better products. The only disadvatage is if you buy the latest and greatest you will only have a short time to brag.
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post #14 of 20
5/17/03 at 4:33am
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Originally posted by vanfanel
IMHO, the 5600fxgo is lacking in performance. If you must go with NVidia you might as well go for th 4200go IMHO. The FX line minus the newest 5900 isn't all that. In terms of laptops the 9600pro will be your best bet though.
Maybe the 5600 FX Go will be faster now that nVidia has released new drivers. An article here: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9486 says that there was up to 30% increase in performance...
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post #15 of 20
5/17/03 at 8:36pm

Toshiba

Either way, the 5600 is gonna be a good mobile card, and a step up from the current M9. The Toshiba on Canada's site, priced at 3500, is actually 2500 in American dollars. Hopefully it'll be available soon. I'm beginning to become extremely tempted by this notebook...it has a really cool, innovative touchpad, built-in subwoofer with harmon kardon speakers, a nice little remote, well-placed in/outputs, and a good selection of drive bays, etc. With the addition of the nvidia 5600, if this thing is out bu mid-June, (my birthday) I may bite. Can anyone deny this computer looks to be powerful and impressive?

http://www.toshiba.ca/web/specificat...=878&part=1313

http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.gr...=1&product=878
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post #16 of 20
5/18/03 at 12:36am
probably my only grude against it is that it has a shitty cpu.
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post #17 of 20
5/19/03 at 12:21pm
I am an avid reader of Maximum Pc and in their last issue, ATI gave them a mock-up laptop with the m10 on an agp board and asked them to test it up against the DESKTOP Nvidia FX 5600, it actually managed to beat it in several key categories. I don't care what the processor speeds are, and if the mobile version of a gpu can beat the desktop version, then the FX 5600 Go really has no chance. Processor speed has really lost a lot of meaning these days which is why the Pentium M chips are so great and also happens to be why ATI's gpus are starting to become great
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post #18 of 20
5/19/03 at 1:06pm
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Originally posted by ViperSSD
...the Pentium M chips are so great...
I thought the verdict was still out on the P-M chips (if that's what you were refering to). I think they are taking advantage of the shorter pipeline at the lower clock speeds. IF and as the clock speeds ramp up, the short pipeline will be a bottleneck, which was the whole idea behind the original Pentium 4 chips: high clock speeds. 3.06GHz is only the "low-end" of high clock speeds for the wide pipeline of the normal Pentium 4 chip. Theoretically, of course.

-myrkat
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post #19 of 20
5/19/03 at 6:14pm
myrkat,
I completely agree, but on the other hand, if an incorrect branch predicition is made, the P4 must flush out the entire pipeline before it can continue its calculations. This is why a higher clockspeed P4 was inferior to a lower Athlon. That is why although the P4 will be able to scale unbelievably, it is not and will never be a truly efficient design
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post #20 of 20
5/20/03 at 4:28am

Re: Toshiba

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Originally posted by rbf1138
Either way, the 5600 is gonna be a good mobile card, and a step up from the current M9. The Toshiba on Canada's site, priced at 3500, is actually 2500 in American dollars. Hopefully it'll be available soon. I'm beginning to become extremely tempted by this notebook...it has a really cool, innovative touchpad, built-in subwoofer with harmon kardon speakers, a nice little remote, well-placed in/outputs, and a good selection of drive bays, etc. With the addition of the nvidia 5600, if this thing is out bu mid-June, (my birthday) I may bite. Can anyone deny this computer looks to be powerful and impressive?

http://www.toshiba.ca/web/specificat...=878&part=1313

http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.gr...=1&product=878
What do you think of the pics of the new Alienware 51-M? (has the new FX Go5600...http://sagerforums.com/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=3481
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