Pentium vs AMD - Page 5

Now if AMD had won that test you wouldn't have said that..

When I down clocked my p4 2.8 's vid card to match the 4750 with the same specs except his was a 3000.. all my benchmarks were higher.. Its like G said, you do or you dont.. frankly who cares if its slightly better.. the differece when you are actually in a game is probably so little you'll never be able to tell. The game runs fast, and smooth.. that is all that matters and that is what you get with both chips.

That point is that currently they do not...the same could be said Intel is making something to blast the older 64 chip..

If your GPU/Vid card sucks balls..it doesn't matter which chip you have..gaming will suck :P

Yep ALOT of this forum owns 5690/8790's hmmm...

Sorry this is a silly arguement like men who babble who will win the superbowl.. And if your wondering.. I actually like both chips..i've owned AMD and Intel..Microsoft did push back the xp 64 release..aren't intel and Micro boys in bed together? Its sort of like the bill gates war.. ok Sony.. dont use my os .. can't beat them i'll join them..thus the xbox is born

Clarification

A couple of people have left remarks about HT so i just want to clarify.

Any windows NT based OS supports dual threading, win2k,xp,2003 (ie multiprocessors). The OS is what will manage what thread is loaded where in the cpu, not the application itself. So if you launch IE, winxp will tell the cpu to run that thread in one core. If you then launch Word, winxp will launch that in a seperate core. They will both run at 3.x Ghx simultaniously, rather than share the cpu time like in a non-HT cpu.

Win xp treats HT chips exactly like there were 2 cpu's in the computer, you can check this by opening task manager and looking at the cpu usage, there will be two graphs instead of just one. :-)

There are some multithreaded applications, such as quake 3 (i think), 3d studio max, Maple, Matlab, and various others, that will use both cores (or cpu's) simultaniously, but they are few and far between.

As stated before, the real reason intel developed HT was to optimize running multiple programs simultaniously.

Someone above stated that the 64bit has been benchmarked to run single applications faster than any other processor, this is true to an extent. the raw horsepower of a 64bit cpu will out perform a P4 with HT in some circumstances. Notably when large floating point calculations are used, but on AVERAGE, the AVERAGE user running windows and running several applications at the same time will benefit far more from the HT than the 64bit. Even though its 64bit and it has a lot of horsepower to go around, it still only has one core and it will still be shared among everything running, and it still will be bottlenecked by multiple applications running at the same time.

So, in other words, HT is the way to go for just about everyone

Huh? xbox isn't sony's its microsofts attempt at a game console. i think this is a good thread because its entertaining to read. so chip fan boys have at it!

Even though I voted AMD because of price vs. performance, it is really comparing apples to oranges. The AMD is 64bit the Intel is 32bit. This discussion should be picked up when Intel releases thier 64bit processors. As a programmer I found AMD compiled code slightly better than Intel on some platforms on others Intel did the job better. If Intel wasn't so expensive it might be a different story. Unless you need 64bit processing and are on a budget the AMD is the way to go. As stated before the average user isn't going to care what is in the case. Both chips have thier strong and weak points. I chose AMD on price vs performance ratio only not on what has better benches, and right now AMD has the edge. Just get what you need and what is a good deal at the time and forget about what is better.

Apples, Oranges, in the end its all fruit!
And fruit is good for you, so it doesn't really matter right now because technology is always advancing and your never going to own the latest and/or greatest cause itll be old in about half a year or less (guesstamation!!)....
Pick one, or if your rich pick both.....

very true

Fruit is good for you unless it's walking down the street and trying to hit on you and make you feel all uncomfortable like yuck what are you thinking and I think I'm going to have to punch you in the head if you don't just walk away right now because the last thing I need in my life right now is some fruit trying to hook up with me because I'm like all after them ladies and the ladies they're all like look at that fruit hitting on you are you a fruit also and I'm like no way but to prove it I have to hit on the ladies and the ladies get freaked out and they run away and I'm like aww maybe if the fruit didn't come around to freak me out so that I hit on the ladies and make them go run away then this would have never happened and the ladies would not be running away and I wouldn't be uncomfortable with this fruit hitting on me and then I wouldn't have to go home all alone and look at..

<30 minutes of babling>

..I like fruits if they're in a cup.

Laughs!

Right now I'm working at a car dealership who has NO idea about computers. I'm their I.T. person and when they asked about a cheap way to get desktops in here, I told them they should pay me to build their desktops. I told them this will be cheaper than buying OEM and will save them money when it comes time to upgrade.

The owner went and bought 10 Dells, he's outsourcing someone to control (get this) 1- yes that's right, 1 Netgear FVS318 VPN who doesn't update it and I get to be the in-house technical guy.
So I get to sit in my own office working in a building full of Dell users who need my help removing adware and viruses and have absolutely NO clue about computers.

When I walked in and saw a bunch of Dell boxes, I looked at the owner, gave him a thumbs up and said, "Good choice!"

I knew right at that moment I had job security.

...Too bad they have no idea I'm about to leave for a higher paying job with less hours.

I feel like I just lost 34 years of intelligence because I actually read this!!


(just kidding...have a bananna )

64 bit windows and Service Pack 2; more reason to go with AMD64

The most important considerations too me when I chose my new notebook are the same considerations that I think should be at the forefront of everyones mind here. These where my deciding factors when I chose to buy my amd64 3400+ system instead of a P4 with HT: windows 64 bit edition is almost ready for release, service pack 2 which has certain features that will only work on an amd64 or an itanium Intel chip. With the price factor thrown in for good measure, it was a relatively easy choice for me. Furthermore, Intel has actually issued a statement that they are going to have to move to chip engineering designs almost identical to AMD's. They have come as far as they can go in the clock speed means everything game, which they have relied upon for so long, due to the huge amount of heat that these chips generate. I know that my last Pentium notebook put out so much heat that I could only use it if I propped it up in the back and used a small fan to increase airflow. I know that there are liquid cooled notebooks but once again that brings us back to the bottom line-money. Personally, I really believe that you get more bang for the buck with AMD. However, even if they where priced the same, I think that at this point in time AMD is the obvious choice.
Onward, Upward
Dr. Phil N. Good

Yep, a lot of us feel that way, and we're all still replying to it!!

Mayaman I have no idea where you see that I said Sony owns Xbox. Bill Gates owns it and paritially started it because the other makers refused to use windows as their core os...thus he made xbox to steal their shares of the market..

Intel developed HT because of the severely long pipeline it uses. Other processors such as AMD's have a pipeline that is only a quarter in lenght. Sure the OS can controll the threading but only certain versions support multiple CPU's and only those OS's will utilize HT. XP Home for example will not use the HT in that manner.

And why do you think that is? Because the 4750 is the ONLY amd Sager lappy and it just came out 2 weeks ago yet tons of people have already bought one. hmm ...

This is what I'm talking about, people think Intel must be great because it's in almost every laptop out there. It's a monopoly! amd has just recently entered the mobile market and already they are giving intel a run for its money and intel has been making laptops since laptops were in existence! I stand by the fact that the athlon 64 3400+ is a much better DTR notebook processor than the P4 3.4Ghz

Apples and oranges is a poor analogy of amd and intel. apples/oranges is a simple matter of taste and preference, you don't have benchmarks for fruit! if orangea gave you more vitamins and cost less per pound, but apples had a few more calories (from a hungry point of view) and were more plentiful wouldn't you still get an orange? A lot of people don't care and just want something to eat (the average user), but others who are more concerned with their health and wallet (the smart, sexy, cool, amd elite crowd hehe)

Yeah, I know that sounded retarded, but the fruit thing seems to hit home with you people

and this thread just keeps going and going and going.......

I won't let up until some of you Intel tards see the light

don't player hate !!!
don't hate the players, hate the game!

yeah, the game sucks. I don't have 17", pci-e, amd 64 lappy in my hands so someone somewhere screwed up and is gonna get ogred!

2 outta 3 ain't bad tho, the 4750 r0x!

wow no pins!!! go Pentium....
ftp://download.intel.com/business/ib...04/enu300k.wmv

trust me, if i didnt need a new system now i would wait for the 4750 to get a 9800 in it. but as it stands, a 2ghz p4 and geforce 3 aint cuttin' it for me, and if sager could just release an upgrade videocard instead of a whole frigging motherboard (why? how about $300 vs. $800, better comparison then), i would be begging for a sager not a dell. however, since the performance benefits of a 9800 are simply undeniable, and since theres no guarantee that sager will release a 4750 w/ 9800 despite what maya says, it seems that dell is the way to go for me. that is, of course, unless sager releases the aforementioned videocard in the aforementioned lappy by september, in which case the dell is going back.