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post #41 of 70
7/30/04 at 12:14am
Time will tell...

-Craig (the quiet one)
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post #42 of 70
7/30/04 at 12:20am
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Originally Posted by Craig
Time will tell...

-Craig (the quiet one)
You stole my line!!

Notebook its not uncommon for companies to skip a genoration or 2 you maybe right they will never release the 9700 or maybe 9800 but who knows they could be working ona 9900?

Btw noone say thats bull**** beacuse this isnt facts its just how some comapines do it so they can "stay ahead" even tho they are behind. If you can understand what i mean.
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post #43 of 70
7/30/04 at 12:52am
For the hundreth time...I hope I am proven compeletly wrong...but the magic 8ball says..."not likely"
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post #44 of 70
7/30/04 at 2:29am
Just Watch.

You guys will all be like "Hey guess what? BAM, lawsuit" And Alienware will be like "BAM, 9800... biznatch..." and then you dudes will feel dumb.

But I do agree that we got owned.
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post #45 of 70
7/30/04 at 3:37am
...well bam biznacho schwam wazoo pooey...as long as they come out with the 9800 and 6800 that everyone can upgrade to then who cares about who, what, where, why? It's hard for me to believe that I can upgrade to a 9800 when their mobo revision charts say I can't even upgrade to a 9700...but who knows...I just hope I am completely and utterly wrong and I am made to look like an a$$ by Alienware...that would make me happy!
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post #46 of 70
7/30/04 at 4:01am
I highly doubt they are going to suprise all of their users with a 9900 upgrade and skip the two generations,
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post #47 of 70
7/30/04 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by Devion
You stole my line!!

Notebook its not uncommon for companies to skip a genoration or 2 you maybe right they will never release the 9700 or maybe 9800 but who knows they could be working ona 9900?

Btw noone say thats bull**** beacuse this isnt facts its just how some comapines do it so they can "stay ahead" even tho they are behind. If you can understand what i mean.
Sure, but the 9800 is listed as the LAST AGP mobile product from ATI. So what are they going to do? Now, if they wanted to they could come up w/ an adapter like nVidia is doing w/ their first PCI-E desktop products, but really, for a notebook, would they spend all that on us? Doubtful.
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post #48 of 70
7/30/04 at 10:11am
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Craig you have been awfully quiet over all the latest news...when are you going to join the cause and set aside the blind love for Alienware? I love my notebook too Craig, but I felt then and now am reaffirmed that AW has really screwed its customers. If those mobo revision charts didn't seal the deal for you then I don't know what more evidence you need. They have a chart that states that this mobo and this other one are the only ones that will take the 9700, yet the product manager states that they are working on it. Which is it? Maybe they are working on it and maybe the 9800 and 6800 and I hope I am wrong...BUT it just seems that AW saying don't expect any more upgrades and removing any reference to upgradeable gpu's off their sales pitch really troubles me. If you had a laptop that had upgradeable gpu's and were planning to release upgrades wouldn't you try to sell that as a feature? See the point? I highly doubt we will see any more upgrades...and that makes me furious!
Does that mean that I dislike my notebook...nope...I bought it with hopes of upgrades and now all I have is the 5700...that makes me mad because I would have gone with something less and bought something new again at the end of this year...I should have never justified the AW as an investment...and I hope with the release of these AGP gpu's that we can see the whole (David) argument that PCI-e and Intel made us do it as nonsense and lies...
I'm even more angry since I bought one of the earliest upgradeable 51-m's w/ the 5600. My guess is (I haven't taken the time to check) I can't even get the 9700.

If they were going to do upgradeable graphics they should have:

a) Made sure it works w/ ALL their mbs before advertising it
b) Made sure they had all the problems worked out before hyping it
c) Taken into account PCI-E.

Sure they can say PCI-E came sooner than they thought, but nVidia is using a stopgap "adapter" for it's first round of PCI-E boards, so ...
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post #49 of 70
7/30/04 at 10:12am
The solution is a bridge between the AGP and the PCIE...
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post #50 of 70
7/30/04 at 10:15am
a) They really have no control on how ati / niveda build there chips
c) When you bought the was prob gonna be a soft conversion. now intel said its gonna be hard.

We never know sadly. they could supprise us. Tell you wait maybe we shuld start our own chip modification and sell them to alienware owners
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post #51 of 70
7/30/04 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by Devion
a) They really have no control on how ati / niveda build there chips
c) When you bought the was prob gonna be a soft conversion. now intel said its gonna be hard.

We never know sadly. they could supprise us. Tell you wait maybe we shuld start our own chip modification and sell them to alienware owners

of course AW has no control over ati/nvidia and their future product lines, but i think what compounds everyone's frustration is the fact that AW's product manager came here, and said intel was doing a "hard" conversion over to pci-e as was ATI, so that we were not to expect anything beyond the 9700 except for maybe another one from nvidia. and i think what really bothers everyone is the fact that he pretty much laid the blame on intel and ati.

well it's pretty clear though that AW has as much knowledge as the rest of us do in regards to intel/ati's future plans, which is really NOT MUCH. It also shows how little or no influence AW has within the industry if intel and ATI can simply keep AW in the dark. I think if AW did not try so hard to pass the blame onto everyone else but themselves and came out and told you all now what they planned on doing as a result of the release of the 9800, then that should help.

i will say it's not a lost cause, especially for those with the lappies that can handle the 9700. however, i think the guys who only have the 9600 and the motherboard that can't handle the 9700, i think they are screwed unless AW allows for a mobo upgrade. i will be purchasing another laptop in Q1 2005 and depending on how AW handles this situation, i will still keep it on my potential list.
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post #52 of 70
7/30/04 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by Diesel
thinkjose, they kind of did it....."kind of"

i say kind of because both ATI and Nvidia, going forward are implementing their own standards for pci-e. So what i suspect will happen is that notebook manufacturers will have to make two lines of lappies, one for ATI pci-e cards and the other for Nvidia pci-e cards, and once you go one way, you will be stuck with that manufacturers cards

of course, someone with a history of innovation like AW could come through and find a way to "bridge" the two to allow either one to work in their lappies
Actually ATI have said they will make MXM PCIe cards (MXM being nVidia's standard) if it is popular. nVidia is likely to release AXIOM (ATI's standard) cards if AXIOM takes off. So in practice, with one formfactor, one should be able to use cards from both companies. It will all come down to which standard has the most design wins. The less popular one will likely be abandoned and we will be left with one standard.
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post #53 of 70
7/30/04 at 10:26am
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Actually ATI have said they will make MXM PCIe cards (MXM being nVidia's standard) if it is popular. nVidia is likely to release AXIOM (ATI's standard) cards if AXIOM takes off. So in practice, with one formfactor, one should be able to use cards from both companies. It will all come down to which standard has the most design wins. The less popular one will likely be abandoned and we will be left with one standard.

that would be awesome

now if only laptop manufacturer could take AW's idea and allow for the EASY swapping of these video cards within the laptop via some panel instead of opening up the lappy like dell requires........
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post #54 of 70
7/30/04 at 10:36am
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The solution is a bridge between the AGP and the PCIE...
Yeah, that's what nVidia is doing for their first round of PCI-E desktop cards. But do you really think Alienware or anyone would spend that much development cost for upgrade customers?
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post #55 of 70
7/30/04 at 10:38am
Bridge chips are realivily small and very cheap to produce. there just convertors. Like u can get English - American power convertors, USB - ps2 convertos, There shouldnt be much development due to if you google hard enought the information will be infront off you.
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post #56 of 70
7/30/04 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by Devion
Bridge chips are realivily small and very cheap to produce. there just convertors. Like u can get English - American power convertors, USB - ps2 convertos, There shouldnt be much development due to if you google hard enought the information will be infront off you.
Yeah, but from email from David (Alienware), they're having trouble just getting the 9700 to work. From other comments in his email I'm not sure they would take the development time to do this for the few upgrade users they would get, when they could be working on a new notebook instead.
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post #57 of 70
7/30/04 at 11:10am
The 9700 work fine on certains MOBO (last revisions).
I think they are working on the Area-51m v3.

David.
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post #58 of 70
7/30/04 at 11:53am
Diesel i think the problem is AW isnt a big enought monster to have any saying power yet. Unlike Dell which probally are the biggest Computer sales company.

If people want this to happen maybe the 9800 they should be backing AW not attacking if we help them focus and trying and make them seem big. in the end the people who win will be us. Why attack them so they have to split there efforts?

The people who atttack them will in end make the wait longer for everyone. Cmon it make sense the bigger we make AW seem the more power they csan have with ATI/Nvidea/intel.
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post #59 of 70
7/30/04 at 2:33pm
Read my post:
http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=34408
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post #60 of 70
7/30/04 at 2:47pm
Whats up everyone, i'm new to these forums.

My name is Pete, and i want an area 51-m. I've currently collected enough funds to build myself the machine. But it lacks one thing, the 256mb radeon. What do all of you recommend i do, go else where? Or should i buy and hope i can upgrade? Or should i just wait?... The last option is the hardest.
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