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post #21 of 43
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Thanks!
What did you get?

Andrew
Austin, TX
post #22 of 43
Yes, everyone knows the keyboards of IBMs are the best. I think 14" is the ideal screen, light, but not tiny. The problem is: no 128 vram (size factor) and too expensive... :-)

Congratulations on your new system...
post #23 of 43
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Well. better re-read my initial post. (I just edited it)

I ORDERED TWO THINKPADS!!!!

ONE 14.1" AND ONE 15" WITH FLEXVIEW!!!!!!
So, it is now "Battle of the Thinkpads" when they get here!!!

As for the 64MB VRAM, I am not gaming much, so not an issue to me.

As for expensive, I don't really think so, considering that if I accidentally run my Hummer over it after 2 years and 11 months, I get a new one!!! (seriously, I don't own a Hummer, but I do think that you get what you pay for)!!
Also, no way to know what I will be driving in 2 years and 11 months!!! Could be a Hummer!!!!!

Andrew
Austin, TX



Quote:
Originally Posted by DDDa
Yes, everyone knows the keyboards of IBMs are the best. I think 14" is the ideal screen, light, but not tiny. The problem is: no 128 vram (size factor) and too expensive... :-)

Congratulations on your new system...
post #24 of 43
Andrew:

I joined the CL56 cult a few weeks ago. Ordered one from Hypersonic. Love it.

Scott
post #25 of 43
Thread Starter 
Congrats to you too!!

Andrew
Austin, TX
post #26 of 43
Dude what's the point of pretending to run at SXGA+ if you just blow things up to look like XGA anyway? If they're bigger, they're taking up more room & it's essentially the same thing as running at a lower res. I can't see what you're gaining...
post #27 of 43
Thread Starter 
Well, I think it should be obvious:
1.) Running "blown-up" SXGA+, I get fonts that are the same size as XGA, but are made out of more pixels, so the text will be better defined. Less "pixelated looking."
2.) When I want to view photos or graphics, I just turn the software back to normal, and I have a regular SXGA+ screen.
Got it?

Andrew
Austin, TX



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Originally Posted by a13antichrist
Dude what's the point of pretending to run at SXGA+ if you just blow things up to look like XGA anyway? If they're bigger, they're taking up more room & it's essentially the same thing as running at a lower res. I can't see what you're gaining...
post #28 of 43
I have to agree with the IBM's being really nice laptops. I have a Compal CL56 as my primary. I also have an old Thinkpad 600e. It is slow and the screen is getting a bit old, but that keyboard is BY FAR the nicest laptop keyboard I have ever used; PERIOD. I have used a lot of laptops and I always prefer the IBM keyboard. If you have to write a lot and gaming is not necessarily your focus, than am IBM will server you very well.

I went with the CL56 this time as my primary mobile system. I wanted something with a little more focus on performance for the newer games. Also, I am getting cheap in my old age and didn't want to spend more than $1400 for my laptop.

I may have to pick up an IBM for my wife as she games on here desktop exclusively and does surfing, e-mail, applications on the laptop. She just likes the ergonomics of the IBM chassis better. I will spend the extra cash for the wife, if that is what she wants.

Tell us more about this Liquid View. Does the icons and text still look good or is there degradation that is noticeable? Give us the detail .
post #29 of 43
I see that no one has appeased the pixel gods for you yet aamsel.
Here you go:

You just blew $4500??? What an idiot...

Good luck dude!!!
post #30 of 43
Thread Starter 
Closer to $5,000.
I guess that makes me a moron, and not just an idiot!!!

I will get about 1/2 of it back anyhow. I don't really plan to keep both of them.
I know that I am going to like one of them more than the other, so it is bound to be what I keep.

THANKS TOURNEY!!!
(BTW, what is going on with your 8050!!!??????)


Andrew
Austin, TX


Quote:
Originally Posted by Tourney2112
You just blew $4500??? What an idiot...

Good luck dude!!!
post #31 of 43
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Originally Posted by aamsel
Well, I think it should be obvious:
1.) Running "blown-up" SXGA+, I get fonts that are the same size as XGA, but are made out of more pixels, so the text will be better defined. Less "pixelated looking."
2.) When I want to view photos or graphics, I just turn the software back to normal, and I have a regular SXGA+ screen.
Got it?
I see what you're saying but I can't say I've ever noticed characters at XGA looking pixelated - so I'm sure I wouldn't notice them being less pixelated if they were blown-up SXGA+. For me the big deal about SXGA+ is that you can see more of what you're doing at one time - and blowing up the characters eliminates this advantage as you give back all the space you gained. Slightly clearer text might be nice but I don't see how it justifies giving up all that space.
Still, on a 14" I guess it would be pretty impossible to run purely SXGA+ anyway..
post #32 of 43
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Liquid View works great, from what I have seen.
The only degradation I have seen is in the detail of icons on the taskbar after they are enlarged. They get a little grainy. As for desktop icons, text, etc. it all looks as good as SXGA+ except larger. As I said, it looks like "better XGA" because you can make the stuff look the same size as XGA, except that everything (icons, fonts) are formed with more pixels, so they look better.
Then, when you want to view graphics or images, you just turn it back to normal, and you have regular SXGA+ to use.
It is free to use for 30 days, then it costs about $30.

It is here:
http://personalcomputing.portrait.co...s/lv_tbyb.html

Please, some of you download it and try it.
If there is something wrong with it that I didn't notice, I would TRULY LOVE TO KNOW!!!
Please demo it and tell me ASAP!!!

As I said, it is free to try for 30 days, and it does not mess up your system or registry if you uninstall it. I have already tested that a few times. I am using it on my desktop LCD's at home and work. They are 19" Samsung 191T's running 1280 X 1024. All I did was put the desktop to 110 percent (added 10 percent in size) and put the DPI for applications to 110 instead of the default 96. Just tweaked it a little bit. I will probably tweak the SXGA+ notebooks a little more, maybe 120 percent desktop and 124 DPI for applications.

(About Liquid View, when you register it says you will get an email with download instructions, but instead, it takes you right to the download!!!)

It does seem to work very well, but PLEASE try it and tell me about any bugs you find in it.

Andrew
Austin, TX


Quote:
Originally Posted by Enigma
...Tell us more about this Liquid View. Does the icons and text still look good or is there degradation that is noticeable? Give us the detail .
post #33 of 43
Thread Starter 
The BIG ADVANTAGE of Liquid View, from what I have seen, is that you can turn it on and off with a mouse-click. So, when you want to use regular SXGA+ you just turn it off. You only have to reboot to change the application DPI, not the desktop sizing.

Several ways to tell the difference:
1.)Take a look at XGA on a 15" and you will see pixelated icons and text for sure.
2.)Turn TrueType off temporarily, and then look at XGA vs SXGA+ text. There is a difference. The XGA is much more "dotty". With TrueType off you are experiencing the true look of the fonts without software enhancement.
3.)Take a close look at a pure white background. You can kind of sense how it is made out of red/green/blue. With more pixels, it will look smoother. All backgrounds will look better.

Anyhow, I am going to give it a shot (on both notebooks) for anywhere from a few hours to a few weeks. If I don't like it...back they will go. But, after using a 14.1" SXGA+ notebook at work for a few minutes with Liquid View, I think I am sold.

Anyhow, like I posted above, download the 30 day trial at:
http://personalcomputing.portrait.co...s/lv_tbyb.html

and PLEASE TRY IT and tell me if there are problems with it that you see. Maybe you will notice something that I didn't, and can advise me. I would greatly appreciate other opinions on the software.

(About Liquid View, when you register it says you will get an email with download instructions, but instead, it takes you right to the download!!!)

Thanks,

Andrew
Austin, TX



Andrew
Austin, TX

Quote:
Originally Posted by a13antichrist
I see what you're saying but I can't say I've ever noticed characters at XGA looking pixelated - so I'm sure I wouldn't notice them being less pixelated if they were blown-up SXGA+. For me the big deal about SXGA+ is that you can see more of what you're doing at one time - and blowing up the characters eliminates this advantage as you give back all the space you gained. Slightly clearer text might be nice but I don't see how it justifies giving up all that space.
Still, on a 14" I guess it would be pretty impossible to run purely SXGA+ anyway..
post #34 of 43
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Originally Posted by aamsel
I ORDERED TWO THINKPADS!!!!
Jesus. I wouldn't like to be a company dealing with you as a customer

Besides, I have tried ClearView and it has royally messed up everything. Not only that, but when I changed the dpi, it royally informed me it had to restart to do its magic. Oh, great. Oh, I also had a very nice blue screen when I did restart - so much about stability. The first blue screen I have on my nc8000! I "system-restored" this utility and don't ever want to hear about it again.

This utility remained installed around 5 minutes on my computer before it was utterly pulverized. I have a certain vision of what an utility should be - if it doesn't work after I fiddle with it for a few minutes, then it's off my hard disk. Period.

Now aamsel, it seems like what we tell you have absolutely no influence on what you decide in the end, but I'll say it once more, just in case it can help you on a future purchase:

Don't get SXGA+ on a 14" screen: it's asking for trouble. XGA is plenty sufficient for 14".

It is ridiculous trying to bump up the dpi because you won't have a SXGA+ that looks like a XGA. No magic utility can make look a 14pt font like a 12pt one. No magic utility can enlarge icons without severely pixellize or blur them. No magic utility can enlarge graphics (take a good look of this smiley - - and imagine it twice as small as you see it now).

In short, getting a SXGA+ and tweaking it so that it looks (but in the end won't) like a XGA is just plain ridiculous. If you do digital photo, then get a 15" SXGA+.

Just trust me for once, you're going to torture yourself to make that 14" SXGA+ look like an XGA. Then, once it will, or once you think it will and you'll feel happy with your setup (let's say, after 3 week of heavy usage) -- startup an XGA to have a new idea of what it looks like compared to your SXGA+. And this is how you'll find out that switching to SXGA+ was the worst idea of all your lives, present and past.

There. I did my best. Just a rock thrown in the ocean, I guess, but you asked for feedback, so you have it.

Besides, I believe you will like the coating of the IBM, especially since you'll be able to have both screens side-by-side.
post #35 of 43
Thread Starter 
Jeesh, Robin...looks like you like Liquid View a lot!! (not!!!!)
(assuming that is what you meant by "ClearView". I don't know what ClearView is)????

Anyhow, I have been using it at home and at work with no problems, no blue screens, and no issues, so I am not exactly sure what it did to your system.

I didn't say that using Liquid View would be perfect, and I DID listen to what you and everyone said to me about resolution.

However, the time has come for me to get a notebook, and there were these issues:

1.) Couldn't find a notebook that I really, really liked.
2.) I THOUGHT I liked the IBM better than the HP nc6000, but the Thinkpad with XGA only comes with a 7500 card.
3.) I tried a 14.1" XGA with Liquid View and it seemed OK. I only got to try it for a few minutes, and again, I am not 100 percent sure it will work fine.

THAT IS WHY I ASKED PEOPLE HERE TO DOWNLOAD IT AND TRY IT FOR A LITTLE WHILE, and report back on what they thought. I definately have not had the negative experience with it that you have.

Thanks,
I do appreciate your comments.

ALSO, IT ALL MAY NOT MATTER, because I placed two orders. The 2379DXU is saying online that it is scheduled to ship 10/29/2004!!!! WTF!!!!!????? I am going to be cancelling and ordering something else in a day or two if this is correct (or even close) because, as I said, I NEED something NOW!!!

Andrew
Austin, TX


Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicRobin
Jesus. I wouldn't like to be a company dealing with you as a customer

Besides, I have tried ClearView and it has royally messed up everything. Not only that, but when I changed the dpi, it royally informed me it had to restart to do its magic. Oh, great. Oh, I also had a very nice blue screen when I did restart - so much about stability. The first blue screen I have on my nc8000! I "system-restored" this utility and don't ever want to hear about it again.

This utility remained installed around 5 minutes on my computer before it was utterly pulverized. I have a certain vision of what an utility should be - if it doesn't work after I fiddle with it for a few minutes, then it's off my hard disk. Period.

Now aamsel, it seems like what we tell you have absolutely no influence on what you decide in the end, but I'll say it once more, just in case it can help you on a future purchase:

Don't get SXGA+ on a 14" screen: it's asking for trouble. XGA is plenty sufficient for 14".

It is ridiculous trying to bump up the dpi because you won't have a SXGA+ that looks like a XGA. No magic utility can make look a 14pt font like a 12pt one. No magic utility can enlarge icons without severely pixellize or blur them. No magic utility can enlarge graphics (take a good look of this smiley - - and imagine it twice as small as you see it now).

In short, getting a SXGA+ and tweaking it so that it looks (but in the end won't) like a XGA is just plain ridiculous. If you do digital photo, then get a 15" SXGA+.

Just trust me for once, you're going to torture yourself to make that 14" SXGA+ look like an XGA. Then, once it will, or once you think it will and you'll feel happy with your setup (let's say, after 3 week of heavy usage) -- startup an XGA to have a new idea of what it looks like compared to your SXGA+. And this is how you'll find out that switching to SXGA+ was the worst idea of all your lives, present and past.

There. I did my best. Just a rock thrown in the ocean, I guess, but you asked for feedback, so you have it.

Besides, I believe you will like the coating of the IBM, especially since you'll be able to have both screens side-by-side.
post #36 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by aamsel
Jeesh, Robin...looks like you like Liquid View a lot!! (not!!!!)
(assuming that is what you meant by "ClearView". I don't know what ClearView is)????
Yes, I meant Liquid View. It didn't stay installed long enough for me to remember its name.

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Anyhow, I have been using it at home and at work with no problems, no blue screens, and no issues, so I am not exactly sure what it did to your system.
Simply stating my experience

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1.) Couldn't find a notebook that I really, really liked.
We all have this problem. It's all about compromising.

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2.) I THOUGHT I liked the IBM better than the HP nc6000, but the Thinkpad with XGA only comes with a 7500 card.
IBM's build-to-order system is highly pathetic. Though if you don't game, a 7500 card might be sufficient. Or you might even call IBM to know if it isn't possible to get a 9600 card.

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3.) I tried a 14.1" XGA with Liquid View and it seemed OK. I only got to try it for a few minutes, and again, I am not 100 percent sure it will work fine.
It might. But it seems to me that Liquid View has a lot of rough edges. Example: it "enlarges" my pointer, but it doesn't. It replaces the actual pointer with a new, home-made, boring white one, instead of enlarging the existing one.

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Thanks,
I do appreciate your comments.
Actually, I'm not trying to change your mind - after all, it is your computers and your problems Simply, after years and years working on XGA, I am partially convinced with SXGA+. It has more screen estate, but I find myself enlarging everything; it messes up a few websites and software - you might not care about messed up designs, but you will when half of the text will be cut off because you need to enlarge 200% just to read text without eye strain on your 14" SXGA+.
post #37 of 43
Thread Starter 
Well, no big deal.
I ordered two today, maybe I'll order another tomorrow!!
(Wish I was kidding)
But, bottom line, I have to have a notebook soon, even if I reject several along the way.
(wasn't there some guy here a while back that ordered and returned like 20 notebooks?????)

The problem with the IBM's and the Business HP's is:
I CAN'T SEE ONE WITHOUT ORDERING IT!!!
It is hard to commit to a notebook that you can't see and use!!

Other than an XGA version of the HP nc6000, or a Fujitsu 7010D, I was simply out of choices.

Andrew
Austin, TX
post #38 of 43
post #39 of 43
Thread Starter 
Sure, but I don't want one of those Sager's that you are linking to.

Andrew
Austin, TX



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Originally Posted by a13antichrist
post #40 of 43
No glossy screen though. That should please you
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