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Intel jumps into the 64-bit processor fray

post #1 of 11
8/3/04 at 7:23pm
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http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews...03_124737.html

Could this mean that WinXP 64 is closer to release than what M$ has originally announced? Since M$ and Intel are buddy buddy.. now that Intel has caught up to AMD... I guess WinXP 64 is just around the corner..

Good news for 4750 owners

I know the article still places XP 64 in 05, but who knows now..
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post #2 of 11
8/3/04 at 8:08pm
I figured as much... I said MS wouldn't release it til Intel caught up....
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post #3 of 11
8/3/04 at 8:58pm
yea "they want a fair fight"
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post #4 of 11
8/4/04 at 8:36am
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Guess I'll never understand.. Both Intel and AMD make great chips.. I know in times past Intel used to be first to market with everything, and none of these issues ever came up. Senior Gates always spoke on supporting new technology, etc, etc, etc.. but if he really delayed M$ 64 to give Intel a "fair fight", then that's a bunch of crock.. When did Intel ever give anyone else a chance? It's all business..

Imagine.. No foreign cars on the road in the states because they want to let the US cars (funny thing, they're manufactures in foreign countries) catch up in performance/quality of the foreign cars.. I guess we'd still be riding a horse carriage..

Competition and need is the mother of all invention.. I *really* wonder what would have happened if AMD never anounced their AMD 64? How long before we saw a consumer level Intel 64 appear? I highly doubt it would have been this soon..

Any way.. my rant.. if M$ and Intel are in bed together, then we are talking about a monopoly.. One controls the other, and they can play us however they want to (in this case play AMD however they want to)
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post #5 of 11
8/4/04 at 10:17am
It's about high time for another federal investigation!
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post #6 of 11
8/4/04 at 1:41pm
The Xeon is just a server chip tho, I was thinking they were finally coming out with a 64-bit chip for home systems and lappies. This is great news for 64-bit, but you Intel peeps might have to wait a while for a 64-bit lappy.
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post #7 of 11
8/4/04 at 2:48pm
I still fail to see how having a 64bit processor or OS now, even in the forseable future, is really going to matter. First off, it's not like the OS has any need for a 64bit pipeline for regular desktop apps. I mean, how fast do you need Word and Outlook to load? 3 seconds instead of 4? The only thing that will need to take advantage of a 64bit pipeline is very high end graphics programs. I mean, even running a game in 32bit mode vs. 16bit mode was pretty much unthinkable until recent chipsets were capable of handling the load. I know I haven't been able to run any games in 32bit mode until recently (May) with my 5690 and now with my desktop. Before then it was so sluggish I could still only do 16bit. Even though I have a 256bit graphics card, I doubt the current generation could even handle it a 64 bit game.

So, until PCI-Express becomes more commonplace (6 months - 1 year), and I have a viable need for 64bit processing (2 - 3 years before I'll even remotely need it) I'm more than happy with my 32 bit Pentium 4 8).
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post #8 of 11
8/4/04 at 2:56pm
I plan on keeping this laptop for more than several years. Just cause you can't see a use for it doesn't mean there isn't. I will be using maya and photoshop, when it is released it should make a big difference.
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post #9 of 11
8/4/04 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by OGREtheBUFFOON
The Xeon is just a server chip tho, I was thinking they were finally coming out with a 64-bit chip for home systems and lappies. This is great news for 64-bit, but you Intel peeps might have to wait a while for a 64-bit lappy.
http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.aspx?i=22700

The first P4 PCI-Express DTR notebooks could be 64-bit, according to that.
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post #10 of 11
8/4/04 at 8:31pm
i didn't see anything about pci-e or laptops in that article. i found this though and they say we won't see any 64-bit Intels in anything other than servers and workstations (meaning not us) for a while.
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post #11 of 11
8/4/04 at 8:44pm
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Originally Posted by OGREtheBUFFOON
i didn't see anything about pci-e or laptops in that article. i found this though and they say we won't see any 64-bit Intels in anything other than servers and workstations (meaning not us) for a while.
They didn't spell it out, it requires other knowledge to see it.

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The new chips are aimed at OEMs and compatible with i925X core-logic set.
The i925X is a P4 PCI-Express chipset (formerly codenamed "Alderwood") which was released in June. It would make sense that DTR P4 notebooks that will be released will be released with this chipset, although there's also the 915 ("Grantsdale"), but the i925X is the performance chipset, which Sager seems to favor.

I'd say it's very possible the first P4 PCI-Express notebooks will be 64-bit.
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