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Is it really worth it???

post #1 of 15
8/6/04 at 3:08am
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Ok. So "everyone" in this forum is going crazy over PCI-E and the new 9800. What I don't understand is just what is the point? There will only be a boost in gaming and a DECREASE in battery life right? I mean...a 256mb ATI 9700 in a 8790 isn't enough for you guys?? IMO, not directed towards everyone, people are stupid to believe that PCI-E and the 9800 will really change anything because right when it comes out people will go crazy and buy the laptop. Then, in a month or two, something new will come out and people will be saying, "Why didn't I wait?" when in fact they waited out for the thing they own with PCI-E and 9800. Then when they probably sell it or do something with the unit they bought, they will buy the "new" thing and then something else new will come out. The cycle will just continue on for the rest of our lives. You will never own the most cutting edge technology for more than a year IMO. Just look at CPUs. I bought my Dell desktop when P4 2.4GHZ had just come out. I was exited to know that I had the "fastest" CPU on the market. Then a month later, maybe less I do not know, they came out with 2.6. I was pissed. I was like, "What the hell? I just dropped 2,500 on a new comp that was upgraded in a month." Now the CPUs are up to 3.4GHZ w/ HT and Extreme Edition. Now my comp is "outdated." I do not believe so because it runs fine except when I run photoshop and try to do ANYTHING else while it loads. It does have its problems but when I bought it, it was the most "cutting edge technology." Which brings me back to my point. People talk about how a 4 pipe to 8 pipe upgrade is going to "own", but what happens when they come out with something new. People are going to be saying that an 8 pipe is a piece of **** and now 12 pipe or whatever "owns." If you go through life trying to own the most cutting edge technology you will never have a life. Do what a normal person would do. Just buy something that you want or need, IE preferences (HD, CPU, GPU) and buy a 2 or 3 year warranty and KEEP it that long. Don't buy it, spend the money on a warranty, then sell it and the warranty gets voided. YOU WOULD WASTE MONEY. I currently own a 10 yr old Gateway 333mhz 13 in screen laptop (LOOKING TO BUY A 8790) and it works just fine. SURE, it does not play games or run XP or 2000 but it does everything that a person "NEEDS" to do on a computer. It surfs the internet, it downloads stuff, it does word processing/ excel/ powerpoint. NOW, I am not saying that anyone should use that kind of laptop because it weights 10 pounds and is about 2.5 inches thick but I have been using it currently. People don't really realize that laptops are not really supposed to be GAMING machines. Sure the 8790 and most Sager laptops are designed to be for gaming but seriously. If you really want to game, buy a desktop where you can hook it up to a plasma and when it comes time to upgrade, you just SWAP stuff. You don't have to go out and buy a whole new system. I can see how important it would be for business men/women to own a laptop so that they can do business while they are on the road or going in and out of meetings or college students who take notes on it but other than that I do not really see a necessity. I KNOW I am really not one of those people because I have always loved laptops for some reason and ever since I saw one I have wanted one. There is a fine line between WANTING something and NEEDING something. Most people WANT stuff because it is cool but MOST of the time you do not NEED it. Look at Furbys. EVERYONE wanted one because they were the newest "pet." They lasted about 1 Christmas and they just disappeared because NO ONE needed it. They have no use except entertainment.

Now I know that I have strayed away from my original point and now I am going to finish off with it. The new PCI-E and 9800 WILL change to something new. Right now people want it and convince thereselves that they NEED it. No one in reality needs it. Right now all it will cause is LESS battery life and probably problems to anyone who buys it right when it comes out. I am going to buy a 8790 right now or maybe wait to see what this whole PCI-E is about. I am still a little curious...Does it help in anything other than gaming? Will it provide for more eficiency in regular use? Post what you think but people PLEASE don't get on my case and try to kill me...
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post #2 of 15
8/6/04 at 3:09am
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Sorry I Know It Is Friggen Long
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post #3 of 15
8/6/04 at 3:10am
My eyes! My poor eyes
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post #4 of 15
8/6/04 at 3:12am
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Lol
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post #5 of 15
8/6/04 at 4:19am
Love your post.... It sums it up pretty well...

Depite everything, people will wait for the next best thing... people who do that will be waiting forever... because I love it... Some guy will wait for the 9800 in a laptop.. buy it, and be pissed 2 months later when the next best thing is out, and be here complaining that he should have waited and that he wasted his money.... Just the way it goes.. Like you said... people will try to justify they need anything.... but I guess it's human nature to always want what you don't have..
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post #6 of 15
8/6/04 at 4:23am
well kinda the only reason 9800 is getting hype is because it doubles the preformance of the 9700..
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post #7 of 15
8/6/04 at 4:28am
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Originally Posted by Guntizzle
well kinda the only reason 9800 is getting hype is because it doubles the preformance of the 9700..


yeah, and that's cool, but then a few months after hte 9800 comes out in main stream systems (not just Dell!) there will be the next best thing... a PCI Express Card that will make the computer sprout wings and fly, and everybody will just have to have it :P

I've been a mamber at these forums for awhile.. I always think it's funny when there's a new Sager Model release... (a major one) and people go nuts over it.. and the same questions always come up, teh same things are always saids, and 2 months after it's all over, the people are complaining they want the next best thing already :P Yep... .We love Technology!!!!
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post #8 of 15
8/6/04 at 4:37am
in my day we didnt have those fancy little white onions, all we had were the big yellow ones and we liked it! you could get a yellow onion for 5 cents, only we didnt call it 5 cents...we called it a nickel and we liked it! now i gotta get back to matlock!
moral of the story....who gives a rats ass!
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post #9 of 15
8/6/04 at 4:43am
there is always something new coming out, but some leaps are more significant than others. i'm glad i waited for the 9600 instead of getting the 9000, it was a significant jump. the 9600 to 9700 was not as great of a leap. while you can't wait forever, one can't deny that there are certain times that are better to buy than others.
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post #10 of 15
8/6/04 at 7:56am
I have to apologize. I bailed about 1/2 way through. You had me at the beginning. That's all it took. I could care less about PCI-e, 9800 blahblahblah. What's it going to do for me? Nothing. Maybe in a few years, it'll do something for me. But that's then. I don't even see it doing anything for anyone now. Just don't see the point (and no, not really interested in hearing any counterpoints from the PCI-e/9800 group). I know I don't need nor want it right now. In fact, any thread that even has those items in the title, I generally don't even bother to read. It's cut my forum reading down considerably.
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post #11 of 15
8/6/04 at 10:39am
The reason ppl are waiting for the 9800's and PCI-E is that they really are a significant improvements in technology. PCI-E offers a industry standard for gpu design, we may see the first mainstream vid cards that offer upgradeability in laptops (if the ODM's work with it, but thats another story)

As for the 9800, its nrealy twice as fast as any other available mobile gpu, there hasnt been that sort of advancement in a long long time. Its like going from a 32mb 9200. to a 128mb 9700. Its a huge increase in performance.

Laptops are really changing, a good portion of the users on these forums wont even have a desktop anymore. They are all going off to college and using the notebook as more of a portable PC. Laptops have evolved from something that runs word and excel to something that can play the latest games at respectable resolutions.

While i agree that waiting for the next best thing isnt always worth it, there are sometimes when the advancements are so great that you might as well hold off if you have the time.
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post #12 of 15
8/6/04 at 11:02am
While I understand how these advancements truly are fantastic, I don't see why they're such a big fuss right now. Like I said, I'll be ready in a couple years. By then, hopefully the technology'll have settled in, bugs worked out, standards settled, etc.

Bought my non-PCI-e, non-9800 8790 and don't regret it for a moment.
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post #13 of 15
8/6/04 at 11:08am
And there is nothing wrong with your laptop at all. Buying computer hardware is always a losing battle anyway.

But lets think Hypotheticly here.

If Sager said they where going to release a mr9800 based laptop in 2 weeks, and you havent ordered anything yet, you would probably wait wouldnt you?

I peronsally dont think PCI-E is all that big of a deal, but if i where getting a DTR type notebook a 9800 would be very worth it.

Waiting a few weeks is fine, i dont under stand the ppl that wait 6 months for hardware though. You just have to see whats going to be available when you want to buy and go for it.

I waited quite a while for a centrino type with a good gpu and a wsxga+ screen, im really glad i did now that Sager just announced the 3790.
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post #14 of 15
8/6/04 at 2:04pm
My take on it is this.. Im a gamer, I play games, im buying my laptop to play games.. why would I pay top dollar for a unit that is now outdated? the 9800 is a huge huge increase..that means that card will perform better in games and last quite a bit longer then the 9700..as to PCIE I hardly think having the ability to upgrade your notebook is foolish..hopefully in the long run it will extend the life of your notebook...If I can buy a video card for my lappy i really dont care whats coming out next..i'd buy the Dell if I didn't know this was their last upgrade before everything is left behind and moved over to PCIE... you want to give me a 500 dollar discount for what was top of the line two weeks ago fine..if not..I want the best my dollar can get.. because im not selling in 3 years..this laptop will be iwth me til its of no use anylonger..
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post #15 of 15
8/6/04 at 2:41pm
I agree you can not wait forever. The market is changing, at one time desktops were the thing and now it is notebooks. PCIE is suppose to create a standard in notebook gpus. Someone like me that is a hardcore gamer and is involved in the computer industry a gaming laptop that I can upgrade is a blessing, since I don't have the room for a tower. I am not suggesting this is what you meant, but am I to be left out in the cold because of a lack of space. Desktop power in a laptop form factor is the best solution. That is why thier is alot of hype with the 9800 and pcie. It is suppose to give us just that, and narrow the performance gap between notebook and desktop. If you take a look at the 9700 it can outperform many of the low end and mainstream desktop cards. To close, many poeple in this forum said they would never go back to a desktop again, that is why we need gaming notebooks.
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