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post #41 of 58
8/8/04 at 7:16pm
what do you mean that Dual-Channel Memory Performance don't matter are you crazy.Dual channel memory,higher AGP, faster rpm hard drive,more memory on the video card all this adds up to a bad ass machine. The only thing you could get by on performance is the cpu and not much you sure as much needs to have a 800 fsb. Even the cach makes a defferents it all adds up when you play the games or run the bench marks.the area 51m far behinde when it comes to the specs.Now iam not saying you should go buy a dell but you can't beat the 9800m right.You just can't beat it no matter what you say.
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post #42 of 58
8/8/04 at 7:49pm
Infact Duel channel memory doesnt actually increase the performance even 0.5% and people think its a must even when its more expsenive but with intels EE thats 15-20% its 2 expsnive funny isnt it

Higher AGP not needed YET. No game has not yet needed more than AGP 4x. The others u said are correct do make a difference. Duel channel is more of braggings rights.

Please check my benchmarks im acutally infact higher than most Duel channel memory. Duel channel memory does make 1-3% if yur runnign 2 proccessors tho. (NOT INCLUDING HT I MEAN PHYISICAL)
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post #43 of 58
8/9/04 at 4:38am
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by vinnie1266
what do you mean that Dual-Channel Memory Performance don't matter are you crazy.Dual channel memory,higher AGP, faster rpm hard drive,more memory on the video card all this adds up to a bad ass machine. The only thing you could get by on performance is the cpu and not much you sure as much needs to have a 800 fsb. Even the cach makes a defferents it all adds up when you play the games or run the bench marks.the area 51m far behinde when it comes to the specs.Now iam not saying you should go buy a dell but you can't beat the 9800m right.You just can't beat it no matter what you say.
First of all, read the article before you make a comment. I didn't say it doesn't matter, it just makes a marginal difference but it's over hyped. Next thing is to learn to spell. You sound like my 6 year old niece pouting LOL. Niece says, "I don't care what you say, I'm not going to eat it". Haha.
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post #44 of 58
8/9/04 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by Devion
Please check my benchmarks im acutally infact higher than most Duel channel memory. Duel channel memory does make 1-3% if yur runnign 2 proccessors tho. (NOT INCLUDING HT I MEAN PHYISICAL)
Devion,
Not that I'm questioning your credibility, but what exactly did you do with the laptop to achieve a 5140 on your benchmark. I find it hard to believe this was anything more than a fluke if you did nothing to the laptop as far as OC'ing. I mention this because it is in fact about 1600-1700 higher than any standard, stock AW laptop I have seen.

If you OC'ing, it makes your comments lack credibility that you do not mention this, if you are not OC'ing, then you laptop is a cosmic fluke for AW and laptops in general, and should not be used to make a comparison to dual-channel memory.

Sorry if this seems harsh, but since you brought it up, I'm curious how you achieved these numbers, and if they were ever duplicated in a normal circumstance.
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post #45 of 58
8/9/04 at 3:37pm
Actually I was doing the standard, Then I decided to work on giving my sytem more performance wihtout OC. So i started tweaking XP. And other software tweaks. Which gave me my pcmark.

And that improved my 3dmark 800-1000. Turning of HT on 3dmark.exe improved it by 100-200. I have a nice cooling method. I let the pc rest for 8hrs before even running it.

My 3dmark had no OC. My pcmark does show OC but that is due to a mistake that i was pissing around fergot to put back to default and then ran pcmark. But i have got the same pcmark with default gpu. And just for the record there wernt any artifacts. I reckon if i ran 3dmark with those clocks id be around helidude.

EDIT : I was actually talking about pcmark not 3dmark beacuse duelchannel would improve PC performance instead of 3d performance.
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post #46 of 58
8/9/04 at 3:40pm
You think that's a fluke? Check out Helidude. He claims lappy score of over 7000! I remain highly skeptical (particularly because his score is basically the result of a huge run in "Nature", with most other scores being much more normal), but many other forum members believe the validity of it.
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post #47 of 58
8/9/04 at 4:11pm
You know guys, you can run 3DMark extremely overclocked, when the bench is done, you can set your clocks back to default, submit the scores and it will think it was done on default clocks.

Also, there are drivers made to crapify the "Nature" test in terms of visual quality to get it to run faster.

I'm not saying that either of these techniques were used. Just mentioning them.
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post #48 of 58
8/9/04 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by thinkjose1
You know guys, you can run 3DMark extremely overclocked, when the bench is done, you can set your clocks back to default, submit the scores and it will think it was done on default clocks.

Also, there are drivers made to crapify the "Nature" test in terms of visual quality to get it to run faster.

I'm not saying that either of these techniques were used. Just mentioning them.
I tend to agree. I also don't really see the validity in using this benchmark as a method in comparing dual channel to single channel memory. It is only a small portion to what makes up the benchmark. It would be kinda like saying that on viewing the results of the BM's on the site, I see that alot of laptops with the 9600 test higher than the 9700, therefore, there is really no difference in the two cards.

Simply put, just reading the difference in technology between the Dual and single channel. I will put my money on the dual channel as being the better of the two. I think it is time to come to the realization that company only offer dual channel for a reason, it is a better option. AW does not, because the chipset does not support it as an option not because single channel is a better option. When AW redesigns their computer with a different chipset, do you think they will stick with single channel memory? In the same since, I don't see companies that support dual channel offering single chips of memory as an option. This is because the positive impact of dual channel memory outweighs the positive side behind using a single chip.
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post #49 of 58
8/9/04 at 6:35pm
Lurking. If you remember one of my post Duel channel + 1Procoessor = VERY small amount of increase 0.5% if that!

I have a Duel Xeon with duel channel and it gets 2-5% increase beacuse each proccsors has its own dedicated path to the ram per say. (Doesnt work with HT due to its still only 1 proccesor)

Problem is ATM ALOT of the computer is standized yet. When a benchmark tool that beacomes the standard we will be able to compare systems better. Its like a Piston engine has horse power, Jet engine Pounds per thrust, CPU has Ghz but theres not a standard test due to all the factors in a computer.

Those engine types are very easy to test. I maybe wrong on thse but. Isnt Duel channel infact a very old method to give pc a greater performance? But it isnt needed now due to ram efficancy.

I know this happened with one component on a pc but cannot remb which.
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post #50 of 58
8/9/04 at 6:40pm
HT is awesome for burning a CD and seeing basically no performance loss in running afew instant messengers and a few IE windows.
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post #51 of 58
8/9/04 at 6:50pm
That would be beacuse you have 3.4ghz lol!

HT is VERY good. I just love the story about intel and amd

INTEL : "HT is the bees knees";
AMD : "HT is usless waste of the processor";
INTEL : "HT does a job and it increaes blah blah";
Wait...
Wait...
Wait...
AMD : "We have just introduced HT HyperTransport System into our chips it gives a BIG performance incease";

If im wrong please correct me. Im postive AMD said intels HT wasnt worth it.
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post #52 of 58
8/9/04 at 11:43pm
Not to seem biased but the 9100 rocks hard simply because you can configure a gaming god of a machine for under 2300 bucks in the USA Radeon 9800 Mobility Baby!
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post #53 of 58
8/10/04 at 8:21am
AW REFUNDED!!!!got my money back in my account and im out looking for a new computer...trust me i have a good reason, from my exp. i would say dell beats AW in every aspect but style, AW style=9.5/10 dell style=3/10 and benchmarks...i gave in my laptop for 6 weeks 3 weeks after i recieved it (that was painful) they told me its fixed, and it had the same problems allll of them..nothing was fixed AT ALL...
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post #54 of 58
8/10/04 at 11:55am
A not on hyperthreading. Correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe so. Hyperthreading is not going to really give you better performance in everyday use. I don't know how benchmarks go. As far as hyperthreading goes, by multiple threads operating at once, intel means 2. And this is only advantageous if you are using multiple things at once that typically use alot of CPU cycles (not very common. Pop up a task manager in XP and see that you rarely use more than a few cpu cycles unless doing some intense operations). Also, if you are gaming, the only way you are helped is if that game is multithreaded. Otherwise, your comp will not be executing more than one thread because many programs don't have more than one thread. When multitasking between very consistently taxing operations, HT may provide a good boost, but otherwise it is more of just marketing overhype. I don't know much about AMD's version but I would imagine it has similar limitations though in general AMD has better theoretical chip design.
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post #55 of 58
8/10/04 at 12:14pm
The main advantage isnt due to 1 application its due to having 2 applications running at the same time.

HT is just like 2 processor just not as powerful. And in the task manager u can select which proccesor goes on which thread.Kinda like i can put exploerer.exe in CPU0 (thread1) and the game in CPU1(thread2) that is where its most useful. Also intel and windows control this automaticaly for the user and the applications. It isnt as good for 1 appliction but your never running 1 applictation at once.
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post #56 of 58
8/10/04 at 12:24pm
It is important to note that while there is never only one program loaded into memory or cpu space, very rarely is more than one program executing cpu instructions at one time in most cases (this is not always true, but has been true in my experience and I tend to overtax my pc's a bit when it comes to doing to many things at once). That is what I meant. Also I am not saying that it does not improve performance, I just don't think the improvement is as substantial as Intel would like us to believe.
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post #57 of 58
8/10/04 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by inxsdragon
Man the Dell XPS is a pain to remove vs the AW when it comes to Vid cards.

Check out the links.

http://support.dell.com/support/edoc...eo.htm#1006368

http://help.alienware.com/cgi-bin/al...Z2U9MQ**&p_li=
I'm sorry, but do you peek in at your video card every few days . Fact is you don't upgrade it everyday so big deal if you have to pull the keyboard off of the dell to upgrade.
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post #58 of 58
8/10/04 at 1:03pm
If you have a 3.4Ghz processor, it's going to be fast enough to handle whatever you want with or without HT. As a 3.4ghz processors goes from "SUPER" to "eh, decent", you'll be happy you'll have HT since it will help you do stuff like burn a DVD with no performance loss or at least much less so than without HT.
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