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Fried IC on motherboard - help save my 8886!

post #1 of 13
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I left my 8886 on this morning and came back a few minutes later to find it off. This in and of itself isn't surprising - the PC has shut off on its own a few times in the past, though I don't know whether it was a power outage, heat, or some other issue.

Except that this time, the thing would not come back on. Worryingly, I also noticed that none of the LEDs were on - and these LEDs usually at least indicate that the power is connected. I figured my power supply had gone bad, but its led was on and it was supplying current, as my tongue can tell you.

Then I noticed the familiar smell of fried components. I quickly took the PC apart, fearing that maybe my CPU had finally succumbed to heat. Thankfully, this wasn't the case. It looked fine. I did notice, however, that another small chip under the heatsink was clearly crispy. Take a look:



The fried IC is towards the bottom of the image. Its marked PQ51 on the board.

Anyway, so here are my questions. I hope you all can help.

1) Does anyone know what this chip is? Is it related to the USB ports (it is on a trace between the power input and the USB ports). Is it a commonly-available chip?

2) Does anyone know where to find a schematic of the board? I'd like to try to replace the chip, if possible (don't tell me this is a Bad Idea. I know that already - but I can't really make it WORSE).

3) Are replacement 8886 motherboards available?

4) Any other advice at this point?

Plan A is to attempt to replace or remove the problematic chip and continue to use the PC - Plan B is to get a new motherboard. I suspect, though, that Plan B will be no cheaper than getting the few parts I would need to build a desktop PC instead, using the CPU from the SAGER. My 8886 has become exclusively a desktop PC over the past few months, so if a new system is required, it will be a desktop. I'd like to save the SAGER if I can, since it is still, 2 years later, a kick-butt system. Any advice on how to do that would be greatly appreciated.
post #2 of 13
Thread Starter 
Here's another pic that gives some perspective on where the chip is on the motherboard. It's under the heatsink, at the back of the board, between the power and USB connectors.

post #3 of 13
Contact Sager and see what they have to say. Without the tech manual and a parts "decode" list it will be hard to replace the errant component.
post #4 of 13
Thread Starter 
Ok, talked to SAGER. Here's what they said:

"All the chip soldering on th eboard can't be change need speical machine to do that so we don't fix the motherboard, so we don't have the ic chips.
the motherboard is $540 or can update to 8890 motherboard.
Sager NP888x => NP8890 Upgrade (ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9600 PRO TURBO (M10), Video Memory 128 MB)"

Somewhat helpful, I guess, but, as I figured, a new motherboard isn't worth it. I could cannibalize my CPU, ebay my RAM, and build a sweet desktop for that price.

I'll do this if I need to, but I'd rather at least attempt to fix the SAGER. Does anyone know of a source for a parts list or design document for the 8886 motherboard?

Thanks...
post #5 of 13
Hi

Looking at my motherboard, the following in writen on the chip:
4835
BPΔ
Y25A

Im 98% sure that this is what is writen, but the text is small.

I also have a copy of the Service Manual if you like?

Send us you email address!
post #6 of 13
It's a multipack transistor. Mostlikely a Current regulator. I hit up my cross ref and could not find anything on the numbers posted. Would it be possible to get a high detail pic of the non dead one? If so I might be able to cross ref it for you. As to replacing it I hope your good with an iron. SMD soldering can be a pain if your not setup correctly.
post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 
Good news and bad news.

Good: Someone at SAGER picked up the ball, looked up the part, and actually mailed it to me at no cost. Now THAT's service. Also good - I got the part and soldered it in place of the old one without melting my case, burning myself, or oozing solder everywhere. It actually looked as good as the original unless you looked REAL close.

Bad: The motherboard was pretty burnt-up around the chip in question. In fact, the top layer of the board wanted to peel back while I removed the old chip. I did the best I could there.

Worse: After connecting the power, the new chip burned up as well. Smoke and burning silicon, etc. It wasn't as spectacular, but it was just as fried.

My conclusion is that there's something else wrong somewhere in the motherboard that is causing too much current to be drawn across that chip. I don't have the time, energy, or skill to figure out what it might be, so it looks like I'll be moving on to a desktop. If anyone is interested in my RAM (2 512MB sticks) or processor (2.8ghz P4), I'll post the links to the ebay auctions here.


Anyway, farewell, Sager community. If I ever buy another laptop, I'll know where to go (though I will definitely buy the 3-year warranty).
post #8 of 13
I had a feeling that would happen. Rarely does a single chip go peacfully. Something either takes it out or it takes something else out. I saw it all the time when I used to do board rework. You might try selling it for parts. You never know who might need a specific part. It didn't have a mini-pci wireless card in it did it?
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks again for the help. Here's where I'm selling the CPU and RAM on ebay, if you're interested:

CPU:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MESE:IT

RAM:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MESE:IT
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MESE:IT

I may also sell the case/LCD/motherboard (basically everything else except the HD and DVD drive, both of which I am keeping). Does anyone have any idea if this would be at all valuable to anyone? I figure the screen at least is worth something, and that maybe someone else can use the random parts, like the keyboard, etc.

Random thought: does anyone know if its possible to rip the LCD off the SAGER and mount it as a desktop LCD monitor?

Thanks again...
post #10 of 13
What kind of LCD does it have?
the 16inch or the 15inch.
uxga or svga+
i would like to get more info on getting this case from you. so just e-mail me or PM me with any info thanks.
post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 
It's the 15", native resolution 1280x1024 (whatever-ga that is).

anyway, I'm auctioning the case on Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MESE:IT

Thanks,

Nathan
post #12 of 13
did you happen to do "short & open" to all the traces that connect to the IC?

also, before & after you solder, did you check the component itself to see if it got damaged by esd by any chance?

perhaps it's too late to ask these questions, but i was curious. by the way, how old was the laptop and how much was it used?
post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 
Since I don't really know what "short and open" means, I guess the answer is no.

And I didn't check the part - I don't have the breadboard or other equipment required to do that.

Anyway, about the PC, I bought it new in December of '02, so it's about 18 mos old. It was used extensively in terms of time powered on, but actually not moved very much. I had it up on blocks on my desk to maximize cooling for about the past 6 months. The case is in pretty good shape, but it is obviously used. As far as I can tell all the internal components (besides the motherboard) are working fine. I've sold the CPU and RAM separately and will continue to use the HDD and DVD-RW in my new PC.

Let me know if you have any specific questions about it.
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