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post #41 of 51
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Originally Posted by abf
IBMs are known for very high quality systems for a lot of money. They are also known for not using top of the line parts (especialy in the GPU department) so if you think you can live with it, IBMs are good computers, but for the money, you can get more power. How much is an Acer Ferarri 3200 in canada?
abf... the Acer Ferarri 3200 goes for about $3000 up here. ("up here" is relative... it's only a 5 hour drive for me to get to Chicago.) Huh... you know, I'd forgotten about the Acer. One of my bosses has one. For me, it's a little much style wise. However, it does have kickin' specs. Too bad the battery life is so short (or so I've heard). Still, I had an Acer before and few complaints and there are other Acer models out there.

Yeah, you're right about the IBMs. Top notch and then they seem to skimp on the oddest things. Would like widescreen too.

Part of my reluctance to go with Sager, ibuypower, etc. is because there are no dedicated service outlets here in Canada. Any repair work would have to go to a US vendor. The bigger names, such as Acer, have at least a Canadian office. Not sure about Asus (W1N).
post #42 of 51
just to reiterate, i found os x just as powerful as windows. and it was easier to use and more stable. THIS IS MY EXPERIANCE ONLY, i find apple software to be better that windows and the windows hardware to be superior to apple's. for me that (plus the added price when you factor in buying new software like office) convinced me to stay with windows. if ever there becomes a way to run os x on a pc, i'll be all over it.
post #43 of 51
My guess is that IBM does not offer widescreens because they are business oriented. Widescreen is mainly a consumer oriented feature, heavily weighed toward DVD playback, which is not a business concern, typically.

Just a guess.

Andrew
Austin, TX


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Originally Posted by ozone
...Yeah, you're right about the IBMs. Top notch and then they seem to skimp on the oddest things. Would like widescreen too.
post #44 of 51
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Originally Posted by jnev_89
... if ever there becomes a way to run os x on a pc, i'll be all over it.
There is through emulation only at this time. Even if you have a gig of ram and a 3.6ghz P4 you can hope for speeds in the lower spectrum of the G3 iMacs. the emulator is called PearPC (google for it) and it is actualy quite fun and easy to use.


But, to run it at native speeds will not happen in a long while, even for the emulation to become well useful (pear is only in version .03 or in other words, a long way from 1.0) because the PowerPC and the x86 platforms are so different hardware-wise a native install of OSX will never happen.

IF you want something *close* to an OSX that will install on your system try SUSE Personal (or Pro)
post #45 of 51
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Given that I've pretty much abandoned the Apple route, can anybody tell me the effective difference I'll see between the following three processors for typical tasks (office, email, web, number crunching, some video/photo work):

1. Intel Pentium Mobile 705 (1.5 GHz);
2. Intel Pentium Mobile 735 (1.8 GHz);
3. AMD Athlon 3200+

My Windows based choices seem to revolve around these three. I know the hard drive, RAM, etc. play a big role too, but let's assume that most of them are equal for now. Thanks.
post #46 of 51
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Based on available support, price, accessible configurations, available accessories, I ended up getting a Presario R3240 (Athlon 3200+, Nvidia 4440 64 MB ram, 60 GB hard drive).

It is a little big but not quite as heavy as I thought initially. I was always partial to it and the more I look at it, the more I seem to like it. The Asus W1N is undoubtedly more stylish, but this unit is for day-in, day-out work so it's sacrificial-undoubtedly-will-get-stratched-black-plastic is probably more appropriate. I also finally realized that I needed a desktop replacement and the power that goes with it so I figured the Athlon would be more heavy duty in the long run over a zt3000 Centrino based unit. I have a small Tablet PC anyways for when I want to be really mobile.

I was a little worried about the screen because the demo units looked a bit washed out, but this one looks mighty fine! Nice contrast and good colour saturation.

Costed $1799 Cdn, and the price is going UP believe it or not (not down) tomorrow to $1999 Cdn. Looks like Compaq has introduced an "inbetween" model in Canada R3215 so the R3240 is going up a notch to a mid-level unit. Let's see how this thing lasts or if I have to return it... Thanks to all for your comments.
post #47 of 51
this was a very informative post.

i am thinking of buying a 12" G4 Ibook as my first notebook. i am primarily a pc user but am curious with the whole apple thing. after reading this thread i am now skeptical and thinking that maybe a pc notebook would be a better option. the points that are making me think twice include: how hot the Ibook gets, processor speed and build quality. software compatibility/availabilty, battery life etc seem acceptable for my uses.

the one thing i like about apple is the limited choices. when it comes to deciding on a pc notebook there are so many choices and from what i've read no clear winner on top. the primary use will include: web surfing, dvd watching with battery, general pc stuff, some video editing but no gaming....any suggestions on a budget notebook that fits my needs?
post #48 of 51
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Originally Posted by seabird
this was a very informative post.

i am thinking of buying a 12" G4 Ibook as my first notebook. i am primarily a pc user but am curious with the whole apple thing. after reading this thread i am now skeptical and thinking that maybe a pc notebook would be a better option. the points that are making me think twice include: how hot the Ibook gets, processor speed and build quality. software compatibility/availabilty, battery life etc seem acceptable for my uses.

the one thing i like about apple is the limited choices. when it comes to deciding on a pc notebook there are so many choices and from what i've read no clear winner on top. the primary use will include: web surfing, dvd watching with battery, general pc stuff, some video editing but no gaming....any suggestions on a budget notebook that fits my needs?
the ibooks battery life is near the best in most notebook of it price, 5 hours without harshly cutting the speed or features is quiet good. apple products are in the legue of the best build quality, there is more software on windows, but that does not mean that there is hardly any on mac there are loads of good titles for the mac (just dont talk about games).

considering that ALL apple computers come with apples iLife for free i think that makes it is a good choice.

many reviews have confirmed that the ibooks can paly back full dvds and still have plently of battery left.
post #49 of 51
Seabird—iBooks get as hot as PC laptops for the most part. They run a little cooler, but they're still up into the 120-130s.

While the processor speed may only be 1.5 GHz, PowerPC processors are more efficient, which means it's comparable to a faster PC processor despite it's slower clock speed.

iBooks are built quite well, and while the older iBooks did have a problem with their logic boards, the newer ones should be free of those problems. iBooks are built to withstand being knocked around, so they're great for keeping in a backpack, etc.

Considering what you want to do with it, an iBook would be a great choice.
post #50 of 51
thanks for the feedback and now i guess i'm back on the fence again but leaning back to the ibook. will let you know how i make out and please keep the opinions coming!!
post #51 of 51
hmm...general comments re: the commentary thus far...
"i had a mac 3 yrs ago..." does not apply to a mac being bashed now. if you don't have experience w/ current products, qualify your opinion as such. many who are dissing apple seem to have been taking the noted stance.

i agree that there are some ways in which apple limits your choices in the OS. my mx700 gives me the 2 buttons and scroll to work with. installing the drivers, gives me control over all 7 buttons if i see fit to use them. the touchpad controls r relatively simplistic. i use sidetrack to give me H/V scrolling, corner controls over exposé, 2nd mouse button use, and "windows" mouse acceleration. i agree that os x's cursor acceleration feels off, but then i installed sidetrack so quickly after getting my iBook that i didn't use it long enough to recognize any benefits to it. while it feels slower, this would likely be useful in precision oriented work like in graphics programs.

as for some, it seems your interests would be better served in a general or compaq forum. if that's the case, start some new posts therein. i promise not to come in and berate the brand or laptop that i may personally disagree with.

Seabird,
w/ re: to performance i would agree w/ a comment i saw in another thread...if u want one application to run as swiftly and crisply as possible, u could get a PM laptop. if u want to run multiple applications of any substance and still be able to actually switch to and use all of them and the rest of the OS get the iBook or PB.

for example, last night i had open, powerpoint w/ 2 video-rich presentations and also editing therein, chatting in AIM & MSN, 2 640x480 video clips in quicktime, entourage checking email every 10 minutes, 5 firefox windows w/ 3-5 tabs open in each, a 70 page word document open, photoshop w/ some minor editing, and iMovie in which i was importing, editing, and encoding video. all of this was open at the same time, the iMovie imports and encoding going on almost consistently in the background. my athlon 3200+ desktop windows PC, could likely handle the 1st bunch of items reasonably well. the place where it falters is when u throw something heavy at it like video editing & conversion. w/ re: to multitasking my PC slows to a crawl when encoding video. my iBook essentially says, "thank you, may i have another?" (as i type this i'm importing to iMovie, which means converting your video to DV, watching a DVD and i still have quicktime, powerpoint, and firefox up and running. very nice.)

despite abf's complaints, i've found that my OS loads faster on my iBook than on my desktop, as well as a host of other programs like entourage (MS office mac version of Outlook), word loads documents in the same time, i haven't found any media files that i can't play and i play w/ quite a few, i network and access files on either computer (tho my iBook seems a more savvy networker. there are times when my PC can't see my iBook on the network but my iBook can still see and access my PC). all this said i'm a relatively new Mac user. my iBook will be 3 months old this month. switching to the OS has been easy, and the ease of use and multitasking capacity of this machine has blown me away. i'd highly recommend it for "easy" computing given what i have thrown at it.

if u can get by w/ the stock 12" or 14" iBooks, i'd recommend ordering from amazon. i got mine (12" iBook) for $899 w/ free shipping and no taxes, after a $100 mail in rebate, which came in a prompt 5 weeks.
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