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post #1 of 33
5/30/03 at 9:30pm
Thread Starter 
Which one is the fastest and the best at graphics

Im so confused, after 24 hours searching for a laptop i decided to choose Sager 5670-V from PC torque. Im about to buy it but then i got this message from CNET editor.





Hi Renardi,

Thanks for writing. Of the ones listed, the Satellite will best suit your needs.
Also, Toshiba is about to come out with some updated configurations
in the next few weeks, so watch for those. I can't get too specific because
of non-disclosure agreements.

You might also try Dell's desktop replacments, either the Inspiron 8500
or Latitude D800. Here's a list of our top desktop replacements.
http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0...-1.html?tag=tp

Take care,
Tom
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tom & Nancy
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:38 PM
To: notebookguru@cnet.com
Subject: Notebook question


Dear Tom Dunlop,

My name is Renardi and i would like to ask you a couple of
quick questions regarding to notebook computers. I will go to college soon
with a strong interest in advertising major and i would like to have a
dekstop-replacement notebooks that is powerful and capable of handling all
kinds of multimedia tasking, video, graphic work that i will put into it.
I have looked into Sagernotebook 5670, alienware Area 51m, Toshiba Satellite
1900 series, and Hp pavilion. All of which i customized into these
categories:

2.8Ghz
512 MB of RAM
ATI Mobility Radeon 9000 video card (im not sure what video card HP pavilion
is using)
8X DVD/ 24X10X24X CD-RW Combo Drives and softwares
40GB (4200RPM) Hard Drive
3.5 Floppy disk drive

I was wondering what is your input for this, and which if not notebooks that
i described above, but other notebooks that is best suit for my needs. My
budget is about $2000 so anything below that would be fine.
Thank you for your attention in this matter

Sincerely


Renardi



Someone plz give me input on this asap, i really want my notebook ^^ i really fall in love with sager 5670-v!!!!!!!!
Maybe he said that in responds to the budget i put to him, but i dont really know, plz someone give me input
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post #2 of 33
5/30/03 at 9:35pm
Get the sager
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post #3 of 33
5/30/03 at 9:50pm

TOSHIBA VS SAGER

Yah! Get the SAGER. You'll get more bang for your buck and a better machine as well. Plus, like the saying goes, there's nothing like a SAGER



At least I think that's how that saying goes.
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post #4 of 33
5/30/03 at 9:52pm
If you knew how CNET and Tomshardware and Anandtech function - you will learn to pay less attention to their reviews and remarks...

Most manufacturers are approached by these dudes and they offer to make a good review for some $$$. Some may be clean but usually 99% of the time they are tainted.

The CNET editor obviously has to promote the manufacturers who give him his daily bread and meat.

Use your own common sense when you make a decision.

Alienware Area51-m :-
===============

Alienware sucks. They use the same hardware as Sager, charge you more than $500.00 more, delay your shipping and give you some of the worst customer support known to mankind since NASA was formed. If Alienware was pinocchio, he'd be all nose and no tail by now

Toshiba 1900 series :-
================

This uses the GeForce 440go which is inferior to the Radeon 9000
Where did you manage to configure this with the Radeon 9000?? Toshiba has always carried nVidia products only


Dell :-
====

Decent alternative if you dont mind waiting for almost a month and a half. Their tech support isnt too great either...and I personally dont recommend Centrino or P4-M's for gamers.

All in all the Sager offers more bang for the buck.

I would recommend a 5670 with the following specs to keep you on the edge for at least a year if not more...

P4 2.8Ghz - get 2.4 if you want - you can throw in the 3.0
when it gets cheap.
512MB Ram - get more when you get more $$$

UXGA screen

Dual Battery set up - if you anticipate being away from plug points for more than an hour and a half and less than 3 hours 15 minutes

The Sager 5670 will beat any of those laptops head to head...

Alienware?? PULEaaaasEEE!!
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post #5 of 33
5/30/03 at 10:07pm
Thread Starter 

^^

Gsf i always respect your reply, thanks ^^

Btw those emails are not really written carefully on behalf of my part. Notice i misspelled the guy's name Tom Dunl"o"p hahaha

Anyway yea toshiba cant be configured and my decision thanks to you guys is pretty much 5670 sager

spec:
3.06ghz with HT
512MB
15" SXGA (i dont have the budget, i rather get more speed than the monitor even tho i saw how sweet the wide monitor really is)
40gb (5400RPM)
8xdvd/24x10x24 CD-RW
1 primary li-ion battery pack (seriously, this computer pretty much would be used stationary, but if i wanted to go on vacation and need to work on it, i might just buy the second battery later)

Total payment from PCTorque
$2064 (including shipping and handling)
Is PC Torque and sager reliable? is the computer crash/having problem easily if not always?
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post #6 of 33
5/30/03 at 10:13pm
If you are going to get laptop in a few week or you can goto Canada then I think new Toshiba 5200 is the best choice. But if you can wait for Sager 8888/5680 then Sager is the best bet.
The reason is the new Toshiba 5200 that's going to come out in about 2 weeks here in US have a GeForce FX Go5600. It's much faster than Radeon 9000 (M9) in Sager 8887/5670 right now... and the new Toshiba screen is the best LCD screen I've ever seen... I saw a new Toshiba 5200 in Canada computer store last week when I went there... It's the first LCD that support 16.7million colours and have only 20ns response time... You won't regret it if you can afford that machine (around $3500 I think).
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post #7 of 33
5/30/03 at 10:21pm
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$3500? lol

sigh ^^ how bout new 5680
how much u think its gonna cost
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post #8 of 33
5/30/03 at 10:23pm
Quote:
15" SXGA (i dont have the budget, i rather get more speed than the monitor even tho i saw how sweet the wide monitor really is)
Dude dont do this - bad mistake!!! Get the UXGA and trust me on this - its only 50 bucks more!!

The 2.8Ghz CPU is no slouch!! HT has all sorts of problems too if you read the 5670 and 8887 tech support section...

Get 2.8Ghz and get the UXGA - if you dont (I dont usually say this) but you will regret it!!

I cannot imagine someone not getting that awesome UXGA.

If you can - call Adam and change it to the UXGA - DO it!!
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post #9 of 33
5/30/03 at 10:31pm

Re: $3500? lol

Quote:
Originally posted by HyI3I21d
sigh ^^ how bout new 5680
how much u think its gonna cost
Most likely $100-200 more then the current 5670 does.
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post #10 of 33
5/30/03 at 10:37pm
I wish it's true, the new 8888/5680 is about $100-$200 more... but I don't think that's possible.... Springdale chipset is about $15 more, DDR400 Ram is still very expensive, New Pentium4 (800MHz) bus is pretty expensive and new Radeon 9600M is not that cheap either... I think the new Sager 8888/5680 is about $400 up more expensive than the current one.
Now, I'm saving every penny for this beast... I just sold my Sager 8887 last month.
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post #11 of 33
5/30/03 at 10:40pm
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wuts wrong with 3.06 ghz?

isnt it technically faster than 2.8 ghz and plus adding the HT technology.

I havent really order it, about to push the button but saw your post.

I kno how awesome that uxga is, but seriously, would u rather spend more on how it looks and not on how it process?

If HT really have alot of problems, im gonna change it to UXGA.
but the reason only because i dont want a laptop with alot of problems.
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post #12 of 33
5/30/03 at 10:43pm
Its such a small bump in the cost - $50.00 ??

Yes how everthing looks on the screen matters. Whats the point in playing games on a screen that looks bad?

Trust my judgement. HT is not worth it at the moment. The 2.8 will actually play some games better than the 3.0Ghz and it is just as fast in other apps as well...

It is not worth the extra $$$ which can be spent on the better screen...

Your laptop experience will be a lot better with the UXGA and this is mine and everyone elses opinion - Do what you see fit...
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post #13 of 33
5/30/03 at 10:46pm
I believe the problem with HT processor is that not so many company take their time to tweak/recompile their driver to support HT.
I had my hand on Dual processor machine 4 years ago and it had lots of problem... I can't use SoundBlaster Live in that machine because the driver will crash with dual processor config.... Give it some time then I believe they will support more for HT when Intel come out with new P4 2.4GHz-3.2GHz that support HT.
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post #14 of 33
5/30/03 at 10:51pm
Thread Starter 

thanks

for all the help ^^
i did, i switched to 2.8 ghz with uxga screen
final and last question
Is the basic carrying case that they provide is good enough?
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post #15 of 33
5/30/03 at 10:53pm
They already have :-

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...tby=14&order=1

somewhere towards the end of that page...800MHZ FSB 2.4Ghz CPU for only $175 !!!
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post #16 of 33
5/31/03 at 6:03am
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""Trust my judgement. HT is not worth it at the moment. The 2.8 will actually play some games better than the 3.0Ghz and it is just as fast in other apps as well...""

Could you elaborate on this please GSF? How come 2.8 is better than 3.06 HT? whats the logic behind? and how come games run slowed on the 3.06 HT?

Im confused now? I wanted to get the 3.06 HT but now you left me all messed up....


Cheers.
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post #17 of 33
5/31/03 at 10:00am
To put it more accurately - HT can actually slow down some applications contrary to the desired result. The extra $$$ you pay for the 3.0Ghz CPU is just not justifiable IMO because HT does not affect your game play at all - if it does affect it - it might actually be slowing it down...

The 2.8Ghz is cheaper by far and just as fast, if not faster for gaming than the 3.0Ghz HT enabled CPU. Of course you could disable HT - but whats the point of paying a premium for a 200Mhz increase in speed??

Thats why I would always recommend a 2.8Ghz CPU for a gamer.
You can save some $$$ and still be in serious reckoning
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post #18 of 33
5/31/03 at 10:38am

Re: thanks

Quote:
Originally posted by HyI3I21d
for all the help ^^
i did, i switched to 2.8 ghz with uxga screen
final and last question
Is the basic carrying case that they provide is good enough?
The carrying case they give you will be fine if you are only carrying you laptop for short distances. If you will be walking longer distances you might want to get a backpack bag.
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post #19 of 33
5/31/03 at 11:00am

Hyperthreading technology

The exact details of how HT is implemented on Intel processors are still not widely understood. The best way to classify it is with the following trite phrase:

"There is no such thing as a free lunch"

HT isn't free. It exposes to the operating system a mechanism for tasking previously unused processor resources. Primarily it allows a second task access to execution units that are idle, due to a lack of parallelism in the primary task.

This all sounds very good, however, as mentioned above, this gain has to be paid for somehow. When HT is enabled, the chip divides certain processor resources between the virtual cores. In particular, when HT is enabled, the cache performance of the P4s drop. Apparently the processor cannot dynamically assign individual cache lines to each virtual processor, and instead chooses to statically make this assignment.

If you run a cache intensive program on the same chip, with HT enabled, and disabled, you'll discover that HT hinders the performance. With the cache halved, the number of misses goes up, and the number of processor stalls while waiting for an external access goes up. Performance goes down.

Hopefully this offers a slightly better understanding of the negative impacts of enabling HT. It should be noted that if your programs are not cache intensive, overall system performance can go up, due to increased tasking of normally idle execution units.

-A
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post #20 of 33
5/31/03 at 11:03am
The Targus Deluxe Backpack ($70 or $80...not sure) is the best. I have this one for my 5660 and it is beautiful. Stuffed loads of stuff in

Laptop, power supply, cables, WLan, Digital Camera, AA Battery charger and some lenses, Palm Pilot, 2 DVD's, CD PLayer, 128 CD Case...after that it gets pretty cramped and VERy heavy

But it is very comfortable to wear - supportive on the back and you can order this at pctorque...

I recommend a backpack unless you are an executive in which case it would look plain old silly lol
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