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post #21 of 33
5/31/03 at 11:16am
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lol

oh and i went to technical support forum, i saw many post about cd-rw failure and error......
is this happen alot to you guys? or only happen to those that are not following direction? or installing in the wrong order, etc.

besides that, thank u for helping me with sager questions

Peace
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post #22 of 33
5/31/03 at 11:57am
Its not a common problem and is usually software errors.

This is not something I would worry about - you have to choose between different media from Memorex, TDK, Imation etc. and finf the one that works best with your writer. I find that memorex works great with the Teak drive.

I rarely use CD-RW but the memorex CD-RW works well...
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post #23 of 33
5/31/03 at 12:05pm
If this is the new Toshiba listed and their Canada site, I would recommend going with the Sager 5670. I visited some Dell forums and some Canadian members were reporting a 3dMark 2001 SE score of only 8200ish, which is BARELY higher than the Sager. Quite frankly that is a suprise because it uses the next generation GeForce FX 5200Go. With basically the "same" performance as the Sager the "premium" paid for the new model won't be justified.

I do have one question though. I seem to remember a forum member saying that Toshiba would come out with a new line of laptops in June with 17" screens. The new Toshiba's selling in Canada have 15" screens. So is there another model that is coming out from Toshiba, or was I informed wrong?
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post #24 of 33
5/31/03 at 12:52pm

Re: Hyperthreading technology

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Originally posted by Armos
The exact details of how HT is implemented on Intel processors are still not widely understood. The best way to classify it is with the following trite phrase:

"There is no such thing as a free lunch"

HT isn't free. It exposes to the operating system a mechanism for tasking previously unused processor resources. Primarily it allows a second task access to execution units that are idle, due to a lack of parallelism in the primary task.

This all sounds very good, however, as mentioned above, this gain has to be paid for somehow. When HT is enabled, the chip divides certain processor resources between the virtual cores. In particular, when HT is enabled, the cache performance of the P4s drop. Apparently the processor cannot dynamically assign individual cache lines to each virtual processor, and instead chooses to statically make this assignment.

If you run a cache intensive program on the same chip, with HT enabled, and disabled, you'll discover that HT hinders the performance. With the cache halved, the number of misses goes up, and the number of processor stalls while waiting for an external access goes up. Performance goes down.

Hopefully this offers a slightly better understanding of the negative impacts of enabling HT. It should be noted that if your programs are not cache intensive, overall system performance can go up, due to increased tasking of normally idle execution units.

-A
Ive heard that the HT willl be/is much better in the newer 800mhz chips..
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post #25 of 33
5/31/03 at 5:11pm

CD-R/W

Regarding the CD-R/W, I do a lot of that, to do data backups, send files to clients, whatever. I haven't had a single problem and I have used a lot of different media. Basically, its been flawless.
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post #26 of 33
5/31/03 at 10:52pm
I haven't gone and looked, but I'd venture to guess that a lot of the CDRW problems that are being had are a result of having older versions of nero and/or ezcd that can't recognize the drive because it's too new.

A simple nero patch fixed everything on my girlfriend's 5660, and I have yet to find media that the drive can't burn to.
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post #27 of 33
5/31/03 at 10:54pm
Another reason why HT is not very cost efficient (at the moment) is the fact that right now there aren’t a lot of programs available that take full advantage of HT technology.

The current laptop that I use (while away from my desktop) is an old Dell that runs on a 650 MHz. P3 so a new laptop with a 2.8 GHz P4 is a BIG increase in performance for me. However, right now I cannot justify the extra $200 - $300 for the extra 200 MHZ that a 3.06GHZ would bring, even with HT. It simply is not that beneficial to me at the moment.
I would rather take the extra money I would save and get a nice set of speakers to go with my new Sager. Or better yet, spend the extra money on getting the nice Targus backpack that gsferrari mentioned or even better the Integrated Wireless Network, or even better still… NO wait! Must stop now before I place an order. Must wait a little while longer. Just a few more months to go. DAAAMMMMNNN!!!

OK, I'm better now.
It’s the wait for the new Sager with the M10 and the 800mhz fsb that’s the hardest.
I have a problem with patience. I know this. The voices in my head keep telling me so.
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post #28 of 33
5/31/03 at 11:13pm
I ordered a 5670 on Friday with a 3.06HT chip and a gig of ram, but then again, I'm not planning on gaming on it.

I wanted HT because I do a lot of work in photoshop with huge files ( > 700MB), a lot of work in After Effects 5.5, and a lot of work in FlashMX. As far as I know, and from things I've heard from others with that processor, the advantages for the applications that I run are definitely worth it.

I'm gonna install XP Pro with HT turned on when I get the machine, and if I have any problems, I'll just turn it off and reinstall. This laptop isn't replacing another one, because it's my first, and I want it to be current and usable for the next 2 years, which I don't think will be a problem since I'm not planning on gaming on it.

I guess the value of HT depends on what you plan on doing with it, so a blanket statement like "it's not worth it" is really only applicable in certain situations.
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post #29 of 33
5/31/03 at 11:36pm
As an addendum to the above post, I think it's important to point out that you can't really compare raw benchmark data on HT enabled systems since the advantages of HT don't come into play until you start working in multitasking situations.

Tom's did a pretty interesting video head to head between a 3.06HT machine and a 3.6Ghz P4 chip, where the two processors were subjected to an actual series of concurrent tasks under heavy multitasking.

http://www17.tomshardware.com/cpu/20..._306ht-22.html

Reading the article from the link above to the end gives a bit more perspective on the advantages of HT for someone who works in a very application intensive environment.
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post #30 of 33
6/1/03 at 5:11am
Dose anyone know when the new Sager with the M10 and the 800mhz fsb is comming out? Or when the M10pro is coming out. That is why I am waiting to get my laptop. (888X series)
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post #31 of 33
6/1/03 at 7:07am
So, leaving the extra $200 premium aside, what will suit me better considering that I will use my laptop to play games mostly, while maybe listening a MP3 song, or while having an internet browser up? Im not a programer, nor a web dessigner. I wont have Photoshop + rendering + Flash etc running at the same time. At most, I might have 5 windows up with different stock quotes in real time (but I dont think those are very performance demanding apps).

Would the 3.06 HT do me any good taking into account what I have said above? Im narrowing down my future specs and certainly it would help to know what processor should I have.



Cheers.
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post #32 of 33
6/1/03 at 11:14am
Any negative impact of HT will be nearly impossible to notice at 3GHz, unless you spend your days running synthetic benchmarks endlessly. If the extra $200 does not bother you, get the fastest chip, and even then, you should have the option to turn it on and off in the bios. (Enabling/disabling it requires an OS reinstall.)

My above post was in no way meant to imply that HT is a bad thing, only to better explain that it does have drawbacks at some times.

All in all HT is a nice technology, that generally helps performance by allowing the OS and the primary program to run in parallel.

-A
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post #33 of 33
6/1/03 at 2:04pm
if you visit toshiba support forum you will see many complaints re quality & service. i bot 1955 anyway for the speed. the flaky keybd cost far more in @#@#ing up my work. between that and the time & frustration searching for solution/dealing w support, i could have bot 3 sagers. the sales rep lied b4 i bot it. tech support didn't understaqnd it. they told me it was defective then when i could no longer get refund they told me it was working as designed. they just paid millions on one class action, i doubt it will be the last.
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