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post #1 of 141
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CL56. just placed my order with DL. i know, another convert? let me present my rationale, you be the judge.

well, i had been waffling between these two excellent systems for the past thee weeks. my decision came down to one simple factor in the end: battery life. while the 3790's batt life might be very good on the 12-cell, the 6-cell looks to be pretty terrible, at least from what i've read. i'm pretty confident that the cl56 will double up a 3790 with a 6-cell in this department.

i was still debating on whether i could deal with the 3790 12-cell, shown here:


but then i showed the picture to one of my friends to ask him what he thought of it. he said, 'man that's a cool looking laptop. but uh what's that tumor growing out of its butt?' haha, i had to agree. no thanks, 12-cell.

well, even if the 12-cell didn't do it for me, i could still make do with a couple 6-cells to approach cl56-like functionality-- albeit at additional cost. then i started thinking about what i'd have to do every day to bring the 2 batts to school... first, make room somewhere for the extra 6-cell in my minimalist-style backpack, then worry about charging the extra battery when i got home. not that big a deal i guess, but having just one battery would be a nice luxury.

so, what would i be losing going with the cl56. most obviously, the beautiful screen on the 3790. viewing angles are definitely better and you get true-black. i decided that since i would be plugging into my external 19'' viewsonic when i got home anyway, this wasn't *too* big of a deal, for me. what else would i be losing... an integrated vga camera. big loss there, heh.

ok so what would i gain going with the cl56? lots of things, surprisingly.
1) no need to mess with a 2nd battery
2) a little thinner, lighter
3) runs quieter, cooler [i live in FL ]
4) no pegs on the bottom [annoying when in your lap? maybe.]
5) ports on the back rather than the sides
6) parallel port [3790 lacks this]
7) costs about $150 less [than a 3790 with 2 batts]
8) 2 yr warranty, lifetime service included [discountlaptops]
9) no lcd issue upon screen poke [undetermined whether this is a 3790 QoS concern or defect]

with just some of the extra money i saved, i upgraded to a 7200 rpm drive i think that the cl56 is a good choice for me, given my concept of what a laptop should be--> mobile computing, period. this is probably different than others' needs/wants. if the best screen, performance, and looks were my priority and i could be guaranteed a power socket whereever i went, i'd go with something like a 5690 / 8890. i couldn't justify all the advantages of the cl56 for basically, widescreen.
post #2 of 141
That's the same decision I made for basically the same reasons. I like how you think
post #3 of 141
Thread Starter 
thanks man. i listed all the stuff and tried to make an objective decision, but sometimes i still think i'm crazy when i look at how the 3790 screen is. it's good to hear someone else say, 'you're not that crazy.' haha
post #4 of 141
I'm in the same boat as you are. I decided not to return my CL56 for the 3790 based on most of your reasons. 6-cell sucks, and 12-cell is ugly. Viewing angles aren't the best on the CL56, but I always sit in front of my laptop anyways so I don't care. The CL56 runs quiet, cool, fast, and works for everything I want. Glad I'm not the only one who stuck with the CL
post #5 of 141
Hm...lol discount laptops now has the cl56 on backorder but in the end I decided to go with the 3790. From that picture you posted there the 3790 doesn't look so bad. I like the looks of the Cl56 but for a 100 dollars extra the 3790 provides better performance (excluding the 6 cell battery) and a better screen.

Oh and if you ordered from discount laptops the cl56 had a two year warranty which was a good deal in my opinion. I mean it was a difficult decision between the two. Altho drawmonster was kinda bias towards the cl56 b/c he flat out didn't like it lol
post #6 of 141
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Originally Posted by Ob5erver
Altho drawmonster was kinda bias towards the cl56 b/c he flat out didn't like it lol
That's an understatement.
post #7 of 141
Thread Starter 
yeah, my decision was based on really not liking the 12-cell. draw doesn't have a problem with larger batt, but i'd venture to say that if he had to use a 6-cell he'd at least put some reservation in his conclusions.
post #8 of 141
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Originally Posted by Aikeo
yeah, my decision was based on really not liking the 12-cell. draw doesn't have a problem with larger batt, but i'd venture to say that if he had to use a 6-cell he'd at least put some reservation in his conclusions.
Wouldn't change a thing. I'd rather have a quality laptop, better performance, looks better, and with a much better screen than 30 minutes to 1 hour of extra battery life with plain looks (to say the least), and the worst screen I've ever seen. Everyone seems to forget I have both of these laptops sitting right here, so my decision is made of 100% facts and actual use. Oh well, give us a review when you get it.
post #9 of 141
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Originally Posted by drawmonster
Wouldn't change a thing. I'd rather have a quality laptop, better performance, looks better, and with a much better screen than 30 minutes to 1 hour of extra battery life with plain looks (to say the least), and the worst screen I've ever seen. Everyone seems to forget I have both of these laptops sitting right here, so my decision is made of 100% facts and actual use. Oh well, give us a review when you get it.
haha that speech instilled confidence in my decision to get the 3790
post #10 of 141
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Originally Posted by drawmonster
Wouldn't change a thing. I'd rather have a quality laptop, better performance, looks better, and with a much better screen than 30 minutes to 1 hour of extra battery life with plain looks (to say the least), and the worst screen I've ever seen. Everyone seems to forget I have both of these laptops sitting right here, so my decision is made of 100% facts and actual use. Oh well, give us a review when you get it.
na dude, you're biasing it without even realizing it. it's no big deal, but your facts are really opinions to those who think:
1) sxga+ screens are fine
2) the cl56 looks great
3) the cl56 performance is quite good
-- typically 100 point difference in 3dmark03 usually equates to anywhere from 1 to 2 fps difference depending on the visual benchmark
-- ill get my hands on a copy of doom3 when i get the laptop to see how it does in reality

if you scroll up to my first post, you'll see a bunch of facts--> not opinions.

edit: by the way from all indications the cl56 will get 2-2.5 hrs more than the 3790's 6-cell.
post #11 of 141
wow that 12 cell really is tumor-ish... oh well to each their own.
I think you would have been pretty happy with either one you used them for awhile.
post #12 of 141
I think you made the right choice for your needs Aikeo. I'm leaning the same way. I have a friend who has a cl56 and I've played with it a bit. GREAT performance and I thought the screen was very good. Very crisp but you just can't stand up and look down at it or you get that wash out effect. The comment about it being worse than anything at BB or CC or CompUSA is a load of bull. It is definitely not an xbrite but I think it is tons better than the rest of the regular screens. <--opinion

I was already sold on the cl56, just wanted to see what people thought about the 3790 with all the hype and all. Screen is better, yes, but better performer? I doubt it. The video is clocked 50 points higher (if I remember correctly) on both mem and core so obviously you are going to get better video benchmark scores. What does this amount to in actual use? Not much. A couple fps in gaming, like you said. If you clocked the cl56 like that, and many people do, you would get similar scores.

The battery life of the 3790 pretty much takes it out of the mobile category in my opinion. If ~2 hours is the best you can get I'd rather go with something like the 4750.

Anyway, I've been follwing your posts lately just wanted to give you a little support in your decision. A screen that 10 people crowded around you can see is great but not necessary for everyone.

And so I don't piss anyone off, I think the 3790 looks like a damn fine lappy also (except for the 12 cell )
post #13 of 141
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Originally Posted by Aikeo
if you scroll up to my first post, you'll see a bunch of facts--> not opinions.
i'll give you some credit... but not all of them are facts
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Originally Posted by Aikeo
4) no pegs on the bottom [annoying when in your lap]
5) ports on the back rather than the sides
4) The people who have the 3790 said they can't even feel the feet when lappy on lap
5) Totally depends on the setup ur using... ie where wires are coming from for those connections


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Originally Posted by Aikeo
edit: by the way from all indications the cl56 will get 2-2.5 hrs more than the 3790's 6-cell.
u realize the 4-4.5 hr numbers that rince and tuaranuk were getting were with screen at 2nd bottom brightness and doing nothing but very light tasks
i would say 1-1.5 is more reasonable... based off of 3.5hrs of normal usage on the cl56... of course, all u cl56 owners in the forums can correct me if i'm wrong

all in all, i think u have ur priorities straight, unlike some others who waiver between laptops aimlessly not knowing what they really want
post #14 of 141
congrats on your choice. thanks for sharing you decision making.

I'm still trying to decide between the sager 3790 and the compaq x1000 I'm mostly using it for programming (c++) and artwork (photoshop, illustrator, indesign, max) so the 3D graphics isn't too big of a deal, but I'd like to check out doom3. The screen is a big deal for me. I want something with enough resolution for coding, and good enough color/contrast for photoediting (i'm picky here so i calibrate my monitors with a colorimeter).

Here's the tradeoffs:

sager - much better graphics, maybe better uxga screen, probably more sturdy

x1000 - ~$250 less (even with CA and M$ taxes factored in), longer battery life (12 cell on the sager is too big for me), can order it through costco (6 month return policy)

I really wish I could compare the screens directly, but stores don't sell the x1000 w/ UXGA and I don't think local stores sell the sager at all
post #15 of 141
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Originally Posted by drawmonster
Wouldn't change a thing. I'd rather have a quality laptop, better performance, looks better, and with a much better screen than 30 minutes to 1 hour of extra battery life with plain looks (to say the least), and the worst screen I've ever seen. Everyone seems to forget I have both of these laptops sitting right here, so my decision is made of 100% facts and actual use. Oh well, give us a review when you get it.
Worst screen my eye. Go look at some of the laptops at Best Buy and you'll see worse screens.
post #16 of 141
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Originally Posted by Aikeo
CL56. just placed my order with DL. i know, another convert?
Aikeo, you just now ordered it? wow what a decision!
good luck!
post #17 of 141
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Originally Posted by drawmonster
Wouldn't change a thing. I'd rather have a quality laptop, better performance, looks better, and with a much better screen than 30 minutes to 1 hour of extra battery life with plain looks (to say the least), and the worst screen I've ever seen. Everyone seems to forget I have both of these laptops sitting right here, so my decision is made of 100% facts and actual use. Oh well, give us a review when you get it.
You keep saying that like it means you are the queen of England. Why does it matter that you've owned them both?
Futhermore, you're making your decision based on what aspects of the laptops you perceive as valuable. Others have different value systems. Because you own both doesn't make you right.
I'd rather have less weight and more battery. I don't game that much. I have a 19" monitor for when I'm at home, and at school I don't need ppl looking at my screen from across the class room.
You were biased against the CL56 from before you even got the 3790. I've read your posts. I could give you a laptop from Toys 'R Us and you'd think it had a better screen than the CL56.
Anyways... They're both good laptops as far as I can tell. Some ppl will like one or the other better... it's not an indictment against your decision to go with the 3790 if others choose the CL56.
post #18 of 141
I have my screen plenty bright on my CL56 and got down to 7% battery in 4hrs7mins the other day with moderate use.

I had these applications/hardware running most of time:

Winamp through Echo Indigo (PCMCIA Audio)
Wireless Internet
OpenOffice
Firefox (fairly active surfing)
and Solitaire whenever I got sick of writing my thesis.


Also I find the screen issues overblown. The viewing angles are ****, I'll give that to anyone.

But the screen quality (when you are the sole user) is far from marginal. The only time I've been dissappointed with it is in bright light - but I'm sure a reflective screen (e.g. Xbrite) would create more problems in this situation.

If there is one "big" problem with the CL56 it is not the screen, it is the speakers. Those suck - but I'm a headphones guy anyway and most people use external speakers...
post #19 of 141
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Originally Posted by eclipsenfs
You keep saying that like it means you are the queen of England. Why does it matter that you've owned them both?
Futhermore, you're making your decision based on what aspects of the laptops you perceive as valuable. Others have different value systems. Because you own both doesn't make you right.
I'd rather have less weight and more battery. I don't game that much. I have a 19" monitor for when I'm at home, and at school I don't need ppl looking at my screen from across the class room.
You were biased against the CL56 from before you even got the 3790. I've read your posts. I could give you a laptop from Toys 'R Us and you'd think it had a better screen than the CL56.
Anyways... They're both good laptops as far as I can tell. Some ppl will like one or the other better... it's not an indictment against your decision to go with the 3790 if others choose the CL56.
For some reason I don't think the Toys R Us analogy works too well.
post #20 of 141
Congrats Aikeo!!!
(now pick something for me to actually keep!!)

I know DL has a return policy if you get stuck or dead pixels, but here are some smashed bananas for you!!





Andrew
Austin, TX
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