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post #21 of 141
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haha, thanks aamsel. we'll keep trying to come up with a system that meets your expectations, you've got to give us some help here and lower the bar a bit =D

on other things-->
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Originally Posted by jw95275
u realize the 4-4.5 hr numbers that rince and tuaranuk were getting were with screen at 2nd bottom brightness and doing nothing but very light tasks
i would say 1-1.5 is more reasonable... based off of 3.5hrs of normal usage on the cl56... of course, all u cl56 owners in the forums can correct me if i'm wrong
hey jw-- you might be right about the 1-1.5 hrs more, but there's no way for me to know personally right now. i have to just go on what others have said about it, and trust their judgement of its potential. i'll be sure to test it out when i get my notebook. we heard kethal's comments, that's very reassuring, here's yet another cl56 user's take on how his does:

that's odd...my cl56 yields about 30 min. of computing power per 10% discharge...this includes surfing wirelessly (i.e. msn messenger/aim/ java), working in word, and listening to mp3's. Maybe your power profile needs to change? try staying on a lower mhz and only scale up when you really need that power.

thats a little vague, but if you do 10 x 30 min = 300 min roughly, it comes to 5 hours (approx). even if you even take away 1 hour to be conservative, that's still 4 hours, wow. sounds like numbers that kethal is getting. and for me, light text editing (coding progs) + wireless use is really what i need the laptop for at school, so i think "working in word, playing mp3s, and surfing wirelessly" should amount to about the same power drain.

what i'm hoping is that the 1.7 ghz / 7200 rpm won't have too much of an additional drain on the batt (i think the guy i quoted above has a 1.5 / 5400 rpm). from the stuff i've read on THG about the hitachi 7k60 (which is what i'm assuming i'll get) and the way the relative P-M architectures are designed, i'm guessing i'll also be able to post such good numbers. it really is fantastic to me, to be able to have such a powerful computer run for so long... 4 hours on the standard batt, i'm drooling. hehe
post #22 of 141
Hm...i think the 3790 definately has better performance at least graphics wise because of the fan for the gpu. But it's true that the cl56 has plenty of advantages, I actually like the looks of the cl56 and I heard it's not that hot, and plenty quite. And I'm sure the screen is 100% better then my bros 2 year old hewlitt packard and that screen doesn't bother me.

But I'm not actually going to mobile the 3790 much, so I'm going with the 6 cell and have it plugged in most of the time. The weight isn't too bad only about half a pound more than the cl56 with the 6 cell and about 1 pound more with the 12 cell. And plus like I said I won't go mobile a lot or at all so the weight and stuff won't bother me. and the 3790's screen is a definate plus.

I know this sounds like a DTR but if I were really to get a DTR it would probably be a dell 9100 with the radeon 9800 even tho dell sux (no offense) b/c the dell would probably only be 100 dollars more for the system, but I'm not getting it because I don't want the heat and the loud fan noises.
post #23 of 141
well... i'm sure u'll be able to do similar tests as draw when u get ur cl... so there's something constant that we can actually compare against

like i said... you seem to know what you want (which is GOOD!), instead of aimlessly waivering between a number of lappies
post #24 of 141
@ob5erver...
maybe there ought to be a new class of lappies... hybrid dtr/thinlight... better battery life than dtr... less than likes of m6n/1557g/cl56
post #25 of 141
Thread Starter 
yeah, getting a stock score in 3dmark03 3200 vs the cl56's stock 2750 score is pretty good. i'd say it's probably more OC-able then the cl56 also, because of the active cooling. when i was deciding, this actually went against what i wanted though-- took into account the fact that the extra fans would produce more noise, something i really don't want in a silent library.

for me personally on graphics --> i think i'm going to end up buying a new card for my desktop soon anyway (the ti4200 i have is getting old), and apparently the new nvidia 6600 chip is supposed to be affordable (~200 bucks). i'm sure that will blow the mr9700 away anyhow, hehe. if anyone is looking for a new desktop card, wait a month or so and grab one of those.

observer--> i can understand why you got the 3790, it really gives you DTR-type aspects without the weight of a DTR (5690 at what, like 10 lbs ), for one. makes it a lot easier to "go mobile," even if it's a rare event for you. looks def like it's the first in the "new class" of hybrids that jw mentioned should take off soon.
post #26 of 141
Glad you made a decision Aikeo. Seems like it's been awhile since u've been deciding. That said, no need to justify your purchase to ANYONE. It's your money and the bottom line is, if you're happy...
post #27 of 141
heh... i got a ti4200 on my desktop as well... plays doom3 like a slideshow
good thing fps is not my thing so i can still play most games at decent res & quality
post #28 of 141
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kevhuynh
Glad you made a decision Aikeo. Seems like it's been awhile since u've been deciding. That said, no need to justify your purchase to ANYONE. It's your money and the bottom line is, if you're happy...
definitely. it's been difficult, since neither of these systems is available for me to see in person. luckily the people on these forums are very good with reviews, pictures, and facts. hopefully once i get my system i will be happy, i for one know my gf will be happy that i won't be agonizing over which laptop to choose anymore, heh. it has been a while since i started looking for a notebook.
post #29 of 141
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aikeo
. . .i for one know my gf will be happy that i won't be agonizing over which laptop to choose anymore, heh. . .
so i'm not the only one
post #30 of 141
Decision … decision… we have so very many in the USA….
In any case CL56 or 3970 is a decision for me… what I would like to know is:
is there anybody using either one of these laptops for Large Assembly/Modeling using one of the Top 4 players in Design… Unigraphic NX2, Catia V5, Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire, or Ideas NX. And if so, what is the performance like … graphics, rebuilds, large assembly updates, FEM, etc? As well as battery life while designing?
post #31 of 141
That's been the absolutely biggest problem in my getting what I want. NOTHING that I was interested in was avaialable locally. The only one I am possibly interestd in that I have seen is the x1000/zt3000. When I finally ordered the two Thinkpads, I figured I woud like one or the other, but, unless I lived in Manhattan, there is no way to see one of these in a store.

Andrew
Austin, TX


Quote:
Originally Posted by Aikeo
...definitely. it's been difficult, since neither of these systems is available for me to see in person.
post #32 of 141
Thread Starter 
i really like the zt3000, having seen it in stores. i was playing around with it quite a bit at bestbuy--> if i didn't need a faster gpu, that'd be my choice. build quality looks quite good, and so many screen options.
post #33 of 141
It does have screen options, but I would only get it with standard WXGA.
I definately DON'T need a fast GPU right now, so that may be what I order in the next couple days.
The only two knocks (for me) on it are:
1.) I never wanted a darned widescreen, still don't, but....
2.) Should I need a faster GPU "down the road" I wouldn't have one

Other than that, it is fine, and seems to have more advantages than the nc6000 which is my only other choice.

OTHER THAN THAT, I WILL GET OUT OF YOUR THREAD!!!

Andrew
Austin, TX
post #34 of 141
Thread Starter 
haha no big deal, i don't mind.

1) something wrong with widescreen? viewing angles are so good. you want 4:3?
2) do you think you'll be playing doom3 or hl2 at any point in the future? or... WoW? or... city of heroes? i ask only because last time i talked to you it seemed like surfing was primarily your goal, with limited gaming if any.
post #35 of 141
1.) Nothing wrong with the widescreen viewing angles of course, I just really wanted something smaller and lighter, and everything smaller and lighter seems to have more negatives. If there was a "close to perfect" 12" or 14.1" that was 5 pounds or less, with internal CD-RW I would go for it, but haven't found one yet.
2.) I won't be gaming, but have a "fear" of some graphics related program coming out that requires a later DirectX. I know and fully realize that is a little rediculous to have that concern.

Andrew
Austin, TX
post #36 of 141
Quote:
Originally Posted by $Circle$
Decision … decision… we have so very many in the USA….
In any case CL56 or 3970 is a decision for me… what I would like to know is:
is there anybody using either one of these laptops for Large Assembly/Modeling using one of the Top 4 players in Design… Unigraphic NX2, Catia V5, Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire, or Ideas NX. And if so, what is the performance like … graphics, rebuilds, large assembly updates, FEM, etc? As well as battery life while designing?
About the performance, you're really OK with either one CL56 or 3790.

I don't think the programs themselves would lower the battery life. The computers would. I think the CL56 will do OK, but if you buy the 3790 with a 6-cell battery, you've got a problem... I don't see any reason to buy a P-M with a low battery life (It's like buying a Mercedes SL55 and put a Buggy motor). To be honest, if the 3790 came only with the 6-cell, I would never even consider it. Now I'm between the 12-cell and the CL56 (I still don't know if I can deal with that "butt" on the notebook).
post #37 of 141
look at wut u want in the 3790 that's not in the cl56
look at wut u want in the cl56 that's not in the 3790

it's time to find out what you really want... the major features should be the deciding factor... the rest will have to be categorized as sacrifices/extras
post #38 of 141
Everyone calling Drawmonster bias is bias...so what if he likes one over the other and chooses to share his thoughts and or opinions. That is what these boards is for..that is what we have reviews for so people can hear what actual owners have to say.. An XGA versus Sxga or Uxga doesn't compare..you only need to make a trip to your local store and compare the screens to see this... Drawmonster, if you haven't already a nice side by side of the two laptops showing both screens would be good...

In the end, buy what you want and or need as long as you like it who gives a rats A** what anyone else thinks?
post #39 of 141
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aamsel
1.) Nothing wrong with the widescreen viewing angles of course, I just really wanted something smaller and lighter, and everything smaller and lighter seems to have more negatives. If there was a "close to perfect" 12" or 14.1" that was 5 pounds or less, with internal CD-RW I would go for it, but haven't found one yet.
2.) I won't be gaming, but have a "fear" of some graphics related program coming out that requires a later DirectX. I know and fully realize that is a little rediculous to have that concern.

Andrew
Austin, TX
what about sony s? or the new uniwill 12'' wxga? i'm guessing support isn't good enough on the latter.
post #40 of 141
Quote:
Originally Posted by Synergi
Everyone calling Drawmonster bias is bias...so what if he likes one over the other and chooses to share his thoughts and or opinions. That is what these boards is for..that is what we have reviews for so people can hear what actual owners have to say.. An XGA versus Sxga or Uxga doesn't compare..you only need to make a trip to your local store and compare the screens to see this... Drawmonster, if you haven't already a nice side by side of the two laptops showing both screens would be good...

In the end, buy what you want and or need as long as you like it who gives a rats A** what anyone else thinks?
Already done a vertical and horizontal of both side by side. Yeah, it's funny that I'm called bias since I have both right here. I owned a CL56 and now own a 3790. The 3790 wins out in screen, performance, battery life(12cell), and looks(ok, that's an opinion). I don't really care what anyone gets, I'm just letting everyone know what my opinion is on the two notebooks. Plus, I'm providing pics and reviews to help people decide.
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