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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Hi All,

I've finally rounded down my notebook choices to two systems that will meet my reqs. The first is the Fujitsu S6210, which has a 13.3 XGA screen, and the second is based on the Uniwill 223, with a 12.1 WXGA screen.

Configured to my needs, the Fujitsu will run about $2400 while the Uniwill can be bought from Cyberpower for around $1700. (Another option is to buy the Uniwill and build it myself.)

Now here is the problem: while the Fujitsu falls slightly short of some of the specs of the Uniwill, I am getting older and my eyes are going. While I'm not _planning_ to use this machine for programming/dev, I want that as an option, and therefore I am willing to pay more for a better screen.

So, if you have either of these machines, can you please tell me your experience with them?

Purpose of notebook: DVDs, movies, music, video editing for travels...Secondary purpose: VB/Office Developer (because this _should_ be done at work ;-)

My Reqs:
Weight no more than 4lbs (both systems are about the same footprint/weight)
Dothan
DVD+R/W
SPDIF Out (can't tell if the Fujitsu has this)
DVI or S-Video Out

Can anyone help me? This choice seems to boil down to a side by side comparison, and aside from buying the two and putting them side by side (and then paying return/restocking fees), I don't think that's going to happen. If you have any experience with these screens, your feedback is VERY appreciated
post #2 of 24
Not common to see a girl/woman trying to build own computer...

Although the price difference is huge, I wouldn't buy the Uniwill. 12" seems too small for me, and you want the _choice_ to do some programmming on that, while doing so on a 12" WXGA is not something very good. I don't know Cyberpower's reliability, but I don't think a satisfaction of 6.21/10 would be a good thing (see link below)... Running aside of that fact, I tell you that Fujitsus have good quality screens, _specially_ if you get their 'crystal view' or something like that screen.

Vote for Fujitsu.
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller6897.html
post #3 of 24
Thread Starter 
Heh, not common (woman :-) That's me. Programmer by day, salsa dancer by nite, and building PCs as a hobby Last year's project was a P4/3ghz HT desktop, so I'm thinking that this year's might be this Uniwill....

Exactly your reasoning is my quandry. But if I turn this into a DIY, then the Cyberpower factor isn't a factor anymore and it's just a question of screens.

Can you tell me why you don't recommend the WXGA screen over the XGA? Is it just the extra 1" of real estate? Or does it have to do with the widescreen? My knowledge of screens is really lacking. I'd say the primary purpose of this machine is more HTPC for the road (I do a lot of cross country travelling), editing personal videos, and music. I'm only going to be programming on this "in case of emergency."

post #4 of 24
It's not related to the resolution or widescreen factor. It's really the size. 12" is already small to look at what you're typing, and I think WXGA on that will only make things worse... <-- personal opinion. Count the fact that Fujitsu has better screens (and that special kind is even better) and you "don't mind to pay more for better screen", I would go with Fujitsu, with 13.3" 4:3 (standard aspect).

And XGA is quite good for 13.3", since any resolution bigger than that would make things appear tiny.

ps.: some people can not agree with me on those things, since if things appear big, small, large or tiny on a screen is personal.
post #5 of 24
Have you followed this thread

http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=37037

There are some pictures of the screen with a whole lot of info on it (the screen)

Matt
post #6 of 24
I've been comparing these two myself. As far as I can tell, the 6210 does not have SPDIF. If you really need it there are a few USB options you can look into, like the Turtle Beach Audio Advantage Micro and M-Audio Transit.

If you're in the Bay Area, you should be able to find a Fry's Electronics within driving distance. I have seen the 6210 on display there (call first, of course). The display on the 6210 is really as good as people say. It's very crisp, bright with good contrast, color tonal range and wide viewing angles. Take a look at this review: Fujitsu S6210 review and Freeman's 6210 photos these shots to get an idea of what it looks like.

For me, it's a tough choice between the Fujitsu and the Uniwill. The Fujitsu screen is definitely a notch above the Uniwill and one of the best available screens with today's technology. However, the Uniwill seems to have a decent screen from the early photos posted on the forum here and I'm not sure if the price difference is worth it. I also like the easy access and upgradability of all components of the Uniwill.

The Fujitsu has the better screen and established company name and reputation for quality and service. The Uniwill offers a similarly-sized, slightly higher spec package at a lower price. I'm not sure about the build quality and long-term reliability of the Uniwill, but at the price, it seems to be worth taking a chance.

Have a look at these forums for more info and input from 6210 owners:

LeoG's Fujitsu Forum

Notebook Review's Fujitsu Forum
post #7 of 24
Thread Starter 
Hi Bloke,

I think we're in the exact same spot. Unfortunately, there's no Fry's by me (it's well over an hour's drive). And I'm starting to think like I think you are: take a chance on the Uniwill and if it's really that bad, return it and pay the fees (it's probably the equivalent in gas to Freemont ;-). That's probably the only way I'm going to know what it looks like for real and whether it will suit my purposes.

The other issue is that I wasn't all that crazy about the Sony glossy screens I saw at CompUSA. The glossy finish didn't seem to enhance anything for me and kinda made me loopy But that doesn't mean I won't like the Fujitsu....

Thanks for the links! Those little USB gadgets look really cool, and yeah, they should work for what I need. Any experience with either of them?

post #8 of 24
http://img43.exs.cx/img43/9203/delluni.jpg

See what I was talking about? The icons can be the same "real size" as a big WSXGA+ screen or so, but look at the wallpaper, for example. That's why some people on that thread talked about "obviously with less real state" or something like that.

Let's explain: that's two things when considering a screen: the size, which means how big things will appear on a screen. And resolution, which means how much things can appear on a screen. At the end, we have dpi, which is how "big" images of the same relative size (in pixels) will appear. dpi means "dots per inch".

See the Dell vs. Uniwill picture. The two _seems_ to be widescreen. Obviously the Dell has a higher resolution (more things appear on the screen) and a bigger size. How big or small things will appear on that is given by the dpi ("real resolution" ? ).

I'm assuming that things have the same size on both Uniwill and Dell (I don't have a ruler). So, things will appear bigger on the Fujitsu than on the Uniwill, since they have same resolution but different screen sizes (obviously things are more complicated, since one is widescreen and the other isn't, but it gives you the idea )

And don't forget the eyestrain!
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by Cecilia
And I'm starting to think like I think you are: take a chance on the Uniwill and if it's really that bad, return it and pay the fees (it's probably the equivalent in gas to Freemont ;-).
I'm sure the Uniwills are not that bad... I talked about the Fujitsu because you said you don't mind about paying more for better screen.
post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks, DDDa!

I actually have read that thread a few times...Starting to get it but still have questions....

If things are bigger on Fujitsu than Uniwill, then will they be less clear?

>>I'm assuming that things have the same size on both Uniwill and Dell (I don't have a ruler). So, things will appear bigger on the Fujitsu than on the Uniwill, since they have same resolution but different screen sizes (obviously things are more complicated, since one is widescreen and the other isn't, but it gives you the idea )

And don't forget the eyestrain! <<
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by Cecilia
Thanks for the links! Those little USB gadgets look really cool, and yeah, they should work for what I need. Any experience with either of them?
Your welcome. Sorry, I haven't used either of those. I've just seen them mentioned before and bookmarked them.

Considering what you're spending and the length of time you'll be using the notebook, it would be worth the drive to me. Of course, you still wouldn't be able to compare the two models.

I haven't seen any negative comments about the Uniwill and if you don't like glossy screens, it's probably worth a try.
post #12 of 24
Thread Starter 
>>I'm sure the Uniwills are not that bad... I talked about the Fujitsu because you said you don't mind about paying more for better screen.<<

Yes, that is true. The issue is that it's really difficult to justify $500 for a better screen, when I can't qualify "better" for myself. I mean, I really, really appreciate the reviews, I guess what I'm finding out is that unless someone can put the two machines side by side and say "this one is clearly worth $500 more," it's hard to spend that much more money.

I mean, $500 can buy me a day (or two) at the spa.... ;-)
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by Cecilia
Thanks, DDDa!

If things are bigger on Fujitsu than Uniwill, then will they be less clear?
You're welcome.

I don't think so. The pixelation will occur _more_, it's true. But this difference is minimal and you won't "see" this difference unless you put your eyes real close to both screens and compare them. But about the correlative "real size" difference... you can see this. Look, let's put it simple: take a look at a 12" screen size laptop near you. I think the Sony V505 series has this 12" size (I'm not sure!!, and it's not widescreen). Take a look at a store and if things don't appear too small, chances are good you will be satisfied with the Uniwill.
post #14 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecilia
If things are bigger on Fujitsu than Uniwill, then will they be less clear?

>>I'm assuming that things have the same size on both Uniwill and Dell (I don't have a ruler). So, things will appear bigger on the Fujitsu than on the Uniwill, since they have same resolution but different screen sizes (obviously things are more complicated, since one is widescreen and the other isn't, but it gives you the idea )
For a 13" screen, the Fujitsu resolution is just fine. Things are definitely not too big and, if anything the Fujitsu screen is clearer and easier on the eyes.
post #15 of 24
cecilia--> i haven't seen wxga on a 12'' screen, but i did go by a Fry's when i was in texas and saw the fujitsu you are considering with its 13.3'' xga. i also saw the sony s (wxga on a 13.3'').

my comments on the respective screens: i thought that both were top-quality in terms of brightness, clarity, and viewing angles. i really haven't seen anything better screen-wise than these two in an ultraportable. that being said, i also thought that the fujitsu's res (xga) was a bit big on the 13.3'' screen. the sony s 13.3'' screen with wxga was, imo, the perfect res. the details were big enough to view comfortably while keeping a decent amount of desktop space (for an ultraportable).

the reason i thought these observations might be useful to you is because 1) i also am a coder and 2) my vision is also leaving me (even though i'm not that old ). at home i usually run 1600x1200 on a 19'' monitor, but i find that ocassionally i switch to 1280x1024 when my eyes start to hurt, or realize that i'm sitting 2 inches from my monitor.

i think in a decision between the uniwill and the fujitsu, you might want to factor in how good your vision is-- if it's still decent, you can probably work fine with the uniwill, but if it's really not so decent, the fujitsu might be a good choice.

also, there is the reflectivity issue in the fujitsu / sony s screens. some people have no problem with it, but i really don't like xbrite or crystal view screens because of this; i prefer the regular matte lcd screens. not sure if the uniwill's wxga is of a different variety.
post #16 of 24
Thread Starter 
>>i think in a decision between the uniwill and the fujitsu, you might want to factor in how good your vision is-- if it's still decent, you can probably work fine with the uniwill, but if it's really not so decent, the fujitsu might be a good choice.<<

My vision is still okay, and I'm still under 40. What I'd like to do is eliminate as much strain as possible, and therefore preserve as much as possible (I know, I know: if I really want to preserve my vision, stop using computers! ;-). Years ago I recall researching CRT monitors and how the dpi had an effect on the strain that your eye would need in order to see things clearly.

So if the res on the Fujitsu is 1024x768 on a 13" screen and the res on the Uniwell is 1280x800 on a 12" screen, isn't the dpi-effect (if there is such a thing) better on the Uniwell? Or am I still getting this all wrong???

From what I've read here and on NotebookReview, the Uniwill is a matte screen, and Alienware upgrades it for their model. I could also delay this purchase until Fujitsu upgrades their screens to WXGA *g*
post #17 of 24
I agree with Aikeo in every aspect, except that the xga on the 13.3" is "a bit big". But, once again, this is personal opinion, and may very from person to person.

And yes, Aikeo. I forgot completely about the reflectivity of those screens. The quality is better, however I've heard of some people that don't like it, specially when using them in very "lighted" environments (yard, for example). The point that I disagree with Aikeo about the xga not being enough is exactly for the "coder' reason (interesting, huh?): I don't like to scrool the Delphi and C++ enviroment to the sides to view the code completely. That's why I prefer a more than average sxga (honestly I don't know if the sxga+ of the CL56 is the better one. However, I need to see it first to say this. So, don't take it in consideration). Obviously, SXGA on a 13.3" is impossible, imagine on a 12".

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Originally Posted by Cecilia
So if the res on the Fujitsu is 1024x768 on a 13" screen and the res on the Uniwell is 1280x800 on a 12" screen, isn't the dpi-effect (if there is such a thing) better on the Uniwell? Or am I still getting this all wrong???
Honestly, I don't think so. For someone with a bad vision, I think it's better to have the biggest pictures possible (trading-off the amount of things seen). That's why I recommend the Fujitsu (or any other 13.3" XGA instead of a 12" WXGA) for someone trying to easy eyestrain (Look the post where I finish: "Don't forget the eyestrain").

Take a look at my uncle: he is extremely impaired at the left eye. He uses AutoCAD all the day (really) and he prefers a low resolution on a big screen, lowering the dpi to a lower-than-average number than the average user prefers. Things become more pixelated, but bigger and much easier to see.
post #18 of 24
I have the uniwill you are talking about.

I got it from mwave.com and it was pretty cheap. Decent machine. I like the WXGA screen (I'm a fan of widescreen laptops).

It's not really all that small. And widescreen is actually pretty nice for coding (one of the main reasons I like widescreen laptops).
post #19 of 24
Thread Starter 
Hi Hazridi,

How is it viewing plain text on that screen (something like notepad)? And have you ever seen one of these 13.3 reflective screens for comparison? What notebooks were you comparing when you made the decision?

Pretty exciting, it sounds like it took just over a week for you to get it. Quite different from the reviews I've seen of Cyberpower....How is it dealing with them? I tried calling to see what the timing is, and all they said was sometimes it's 2 weeks, others it's 4. Not inspiring any confidence... ;-)

Thanks!!! :-)
post #20 of 24
"Something like notepad?"

What you mean by that? The question wasn't directed to me, but I'm a little curious...
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