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5690 vs. 4750

post #1 of 132
8/22/04 at 1:29pm
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I need a gaming laptop. I hear mixed views on each, but i cant decide which is better. I hear the 5690 is raw power, and then i hear that the AMD processor is EXTREMELY nice for gaming. im torn between the two. are the 4750 fans really much louder than the 5690's? also, i know a bigger HDD helps you DL, but is this in all cases? zoning in games etc.

im also limited to about 2300 dollars so right now im thinking about the 5690-V with widescreen, 3 year warranty, 60 GB HDD. thanks for the help.
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post #2 of 132
8/22/04 at 2:10pm
go with the 4750. it has a beautiful 17inch widescreen and the amd64 is blazingly better than any p4. also you will be able to use XP64 on it when it comes out in Jan/Feb which is reviewed to perform up to 70% faster than XP32.
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post #3 of 132
8/22/04 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by j4ever
go with the 4750. it has a beautiful 17inch widescreen and the amd64 is blazingly better than any p4. also you will be able to use XP64 on it when it comes out in Jan/Feb which is reviewed to perform up to 70% faster than XP32.
Windows xp64 is a good reason to buy AMD64... if thats important to you by all means grab up the 4750 it is a good machine and you really can't go wrong with either ...to a point.

You are correct on the 5690 being raw power which in turn equals an excellant gaming machine.. but is the 4750 better at gaming then the 5690? I really don't think it is.. why everyone is on the amd64 bandwagon..and this is great.. the current chasis of the 4750 in many aspects hurt the machine..which in turn doesn't let you take full advantage of all that power when it comes to gaming... But who cares..you can proudly say you have AMD64

Really though, its up to you..both machines are fast..Before I sent my 5690 back (decided to wait for PCIE) it chewed everything I through at it..Far cry all at high settings... But that 17''s screen would have truly been nice..not that there is anything wrong with the 15'' I just wanted something a tad bigger.. You need to just decide which of all these elements are more important to you.. and make your decission from there.. IF you can wait.. i'd say go for PCIE...should be out in the next 4-8 weeks..
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post #4 of 132
8/22/04 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by Synergi
but is it better at gaming then the 5690? I really don't think it is..
You mean the 4750
WOw is it seriously going to be that much faster than Win32? By faster do you mean the shell or the applications that it will run? Cause 70% increase in application speed is nuts
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post #5 of 132
8/22/04 at 9:48pm
No I meant I dont think the 4750 is better then the 5690 for gaming...
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post #6 of 132
8/22/04 at 9:58pm
the 5690 benches a little better than the 4750, not really sure why but it's not a big difference.

Also, I haven't heard 70%, more like 55% and that's only with certain apps. I think the performance increase with XP64 will be pretty big at first, but nothing spectacular. As time goes on 64-bit drivers and OS's and apps will be fine tuned and then 64-bit version of games and such will really scream compared to 32-bit versions. We probably won't see this for a couple years, but it's definitely worth getting AMD 64.
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post #7 of 132
8/22/04 at 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by OGREtheBUFFOON
the 5690 benches a little better than the 4750, not really sure why but it's not a big difference.
Only reason I say this ..is compared with what 4750,5690 and 8790 gamers play games in... and what settings.. but why it benches higher is because its able to clock higher..and it clocks higher because it has better cooling.. now if the AMD64 was in the 5690 chasis..that would be sweet then a real comparison could be done..
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post #8 of 132
8/22/04 at 11:42pm
Well, on the topic of 64 vs 32 bit WinXP:
http://www.gamepc.com/labsview_conte...p641218&page=1

(For those to lazy to read the entire review)
64bitness does not show huge improvements in any of the software ran. In fact, usually the 64bit version of the program being tested was detrimental to performance. The only exception to this would be Halo, where the AMD pulled ahead...
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post #9 of 132
8/22/04 at 11:50pm
4790 - 4750 uses ATI 9700 128mb, the 8790 uses ATI 9700 256mb
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post #10 of 132
8/22/04 at 11:54pm
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Originally Posted by 2pac
4790 - 4750 uses ATI 9700 128mb, the 8790 uses ATI 9700 256mb
What has that to do with anything?
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post #11 of 132
8/23/04 at 12:30am
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Originally Posted by Hitokri
Well, on the topic of 64 vs 32 bit WinXP:
http://www.gamepc.com/labsview_conte...p641218&page=1

(For those to lazy to read the entire review)
64bitness does not show huge improvements in any of the software ran. In fact, usually the 64bit version of the program being tested was detrimental to performance. The only exception to this would be Halo, where the AMD pulled ahead...
link doesn't work (page cannot be found)
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post #12 of 132
8/23/04 at 1:18am
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Originally Posted by OGREtheBUFFOON
link doesn't work (page cannot be found)
Try this link.
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post #13 of 132
8/23/04 at 1:36am
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Originally Posted by Synergi
What has that to do with anything?
i telling him what gfx card are used so 8790 would be better because of the memory idiot read next time thanks.
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post #14 of 132
8/23/04 at 1:55am
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Originally Posted by Sharakkhal
Try this link.
is it me.. or does that still not tell prove anything? the game performace isnt seein an increase because they are not coded in 64-bit.. ugh...
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post #15 of 132
8/23/04 at 2:06am
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Originally Posted by ianpantz
is it me.. or does that still not tell prove anything? the game performace isnt seein an increase because they are not coded in 64-bit.. ugh...
I wasn't trying to prove anything, just providing a link that works. On the other hand, to me that link does cast a doubt on all the claims of how there's a huge increase of performance, even when using 32-bit software on a 64-bit OS.
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post #16 of 132
8/23/04 at 2:12am
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Originally Posted by 2pac
i telling him what gfx card are used so 8790 would be better because of the memory idiot read next time thanks.
Idiot? Oh and I did read..obviously you do not know what your talking about..Last I looked both were the same cards based on the same core.. both have the same pipelines.. which is why both machines 5690-8790 are very close in benchmarks..I'll let someone smarter explain to you about how the extra 128mb of ram makes the 8790 blow the 5690 out of the water..::says sacrastically:: Better yet..you explain it...
Next time you want to call someone an idiot.. Don't..
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post #17 of 132
8/23/04 at 2:14am
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Originally Posted by ianpantz
is it me.. or does that still not tell prove anything? the game performace isnt seein an increase because they are not coded in 64-bit.. ugh...
Basically...my take on it is by the time everything does go 64..i'll be wanting a new machine and chip anyway..im sure these current machines will be outdated by the time it all comes together.. Still if I had to choose i'd pick a AMD64 but in a better chasis...
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post #18 of 132
8/23/04 at 2:17am
the performance claims are with 64-bit software on a 64-bit OS with a 64-bit chip. That test was using 32-bit software, so of course it didn't show the huge performance gains. Hopefully mainstream 64-bit apps and games will be arriving soon.
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post #19 of 132
8/23/04 at 2:17am
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Originally Posted by 2pac
i telling him what gfx card are used so 8790 would be better because of the memory idiot read next time thanks.
You're telling someone else to read and calling them an idiot, when it was you who was giving information on a notebook that wasn't being discussed?
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post #20 of 132
8/23/04 at 2:22am
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Originally Posted by Sharakkhal
You're telling someone else to read and calling them an idiot, when it was you who was giving information on a notebook that wasn't being discussed?
I mentioned it..I was merely trying to get the point across that the 5690 and the 8790 game better is because they have better cooling.. but.. ::swoons:: Sharakkhal my hero! ::bats eyes all pretty::
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