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post #61 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by drawmonster
Ok, couldn't help this. Check the sager forums buddy. Compare my contributions to yours. Can someone back me up on this?

You may want to check these out, stud.

http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=37397
http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=37387
I'll back you up. You see...it's very simple. All a person has to do is make a SINGLE helpful post and then they become a more helpful person than snorre. Snorre never posts anything useful.
Even a person that joins today and makes one helpful post is beats snorre.
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post #62 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:22pm
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post #63 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by ebonix3000
Buy a Ferrari 3200, It gets you laid.*

*not paid for by Acer

Who cares what Snorre says. It's a great computer and he likes it, why can't he share it with people? I like mine
The problem is, snorre seems to think that the forum exists soley so he can brag about his laptop. He probably doesn't have many friends to brag about his laptop to, so he uses the forum
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post #64 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by drawmonster
Ok, couldn't help this. Check the sager forums buddy. Compare my contributions to yours. Can someone back me up on this?

You may want to check these out, stud.

http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=37397
http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=37387
Yeah, those were some great reviews you did.
I definitely remember you saying much more than just something like "I know you are willing to get a P4HT but check out the Dothan in the 3790 - it rocks and gets you laid or at least I hope it will."
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post #65 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by Tourney2112
you're saying that the screen of your ferrari (1400x1050) looks better than the screen on my mitac 8050 (1200x800)
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't like XGA resolutions at all, and especially not the widescreen type. A 15" widescreen LCD is utter crap compared to my 32" widescreen TV anyways.

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Originally Posted by Tourney2112
Once again. Most people would actually have a screen that works here's a definition of a solid, workable screen: one you don't have to constantly adjust to read.
Unfortunately, your screen doesn't fit the bill, however mine does. what's the point of having a high resolution if you can't even read your screen half the time?
Maybe a good quality screen like on a sony would be better, but not one on a shi!ty ferrari 3200.
I don't constantly need to adjust my screen at all, and even the viewing angles on your screen are utter crap compared to decent desktop LCD screens. Your complaints about the screen on the Ferrari 3200 applies to almost all 15" SXGA+ laptops out there; CL56, 1556, Travelmate 8000 to name a few and I don't see you throw mud at these

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Originally Posted by Tourney2112
How's a contrast ratio of 450:1 sound? I know for a fact that that's a fairly high contrast ratio. There are screens that are much better, but this is still a high quality screen.
That sounds really bad to me, when high quality desktop LCD screens these days have at least 750:1 or 1000:1 contrast ratio. If you find 450:1 good then you obviously don't know what you're talking about

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Originally Posted by Tourney2112
By putting my gpu's settings on performance, I get a score of 2933 on 3dmark03 with stock settings. A ferrari 3200 gets about 3150 or so. That's not a big oc at all.
Yeah, but the Ferrari 3200 can also be OC just slightly and you'll still lag behind in these benchmarks. I know this is a big deal for you, posting multiple posts about your 3DMark03 score and all, but I'm just stating the obvious here.
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post #66 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by DoomMessiah
I found this quote while configuring (for the fun of it) a Voodoo Envy M:380:

Pentium M 2.0GHz Dothan

Don't let the speed fool you, this processor has 2 megabytes of cache and the performance beats all of the old Intel Pentium 4 Mobile Processors. *If you take the processor speed and multiply it by 1.8 you'll get a similar speed equivelant to the desktop Pentium 4 Processors in similar laptop configurations - according to our benchmark tests

So, a 2.0 GHz Dothan is about the same speed as a 3.6GHz P4...Cool
Anway, back to the Dothan. Tha's pretty nice. I was really suprised how much performance these little babies can push out. My 3790 got 3209 stock in 3DMark03. I'm not sure about the mutiplier. I don't think there is really an exact science on that. If I use the above mutiplier, that would mean a 1.7 Dothan is equal to a 3.04Ghz P4. Not bad.
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post #67 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by Tourney2112
I'll back you up. You see...it's very simple. All a person has to do is make a SINGLE helpful post and then they become a more helpful person than snorre. Snorre never posts anything useful.
Even a person that joins today and makes one helpful post is beats snorre.
He helped me to choose the computer that I have today. The only time I see him post about his computer, is when it's needed, like when someone wants info on an inexpensive gamming computer. I have never seen him post when it's not needed.
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post #68 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:28pm
Once again, back to the Dothan.........
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post #69 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by ebonix3000
He helped me to choose the computer that I have today. The only time I see him post about his computer, is when it's needed, like when someone wants info on an inexpensive gamming computer. I have never seen him post when it's not needed.
You might want to drop the "inexpensive" part from there cause your own config of the Ferrari should be about 2300 bucks.
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post #70 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:35pm
Sorry, back to Dothan.
Yeah, it is true that Dothan performance is often given in P4 terms via this multiplier although I like being a bit more cautious that's why I ususally use 1.6 rather than 1.8. From benchmarks I have seen a 2.0 Dothan would be equal to 3.0-3.2P4HT but this is not in multitasking where the HT of P4 helps it outperform the Dothan, but I doubt it is by much. In return, however, no P4 can come even close to the long battery life and cool running temps that are the hallmark of Centrino/Dothan technology.
All in all, Dothan is the most versatile cpu out there and this comes out of the mouth of an AMD fan.
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post #71 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:40pm
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Originally Posted by zlatanov
You might want to drop the "inexpensive" part from there cause your own config of the Ferrari should be about 2300 bucks.
It's better than an overpriced Sager or Alienware
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post #72 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:40pm
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Originally Posted by snorre
A 15" widescreen LCD is utter crap compared to my 32" widescreen TV anyways.
I'm still wondering what brought your 32" widescreen into this discussion. Are you going to start telling everyone that it's the best as well?

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Originally Posted by snorre
I don't constantly need to adjust my screen at all, and even the viewing angles on your screen are utter crap compared to decent desktop LCD screens.
Really. I'd say I've got about a 165 degree horizontal viewing plane with my mitac's screen. So you're saying the extra 15 degrees of the decent desktop screens are going to make that crap?

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Originally Posted by snorre
Your complaints about the screen on the Ferrari 3200 applies to almost all 15" SXGA+ laptops out there; CL56, 1556, Travelmate 8000 to name a few and I don't see you thow mud at these
and in every review, the bad quality of the screen is noted. Some people can deal with it, others can't. I'd bash any one of those if you constantly reccomended it to everyone. The point I'm trying to make is your laptop doesn't fit the needs of everyone

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Originally Posted by snorre
That sounds really bad, high quality LCD screens these days have at least 750:1 or 1000:1 contrast ratio. If you find 450:1 good then you obviously don't know what you're talking about
And what might the size of those screens be? I've got a 17" LCD. I'm sure those screens with the higher contrast ratio are much bigger. At least 19" folr 750:1

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Originally Posted by snorre
Yeah, but also the Ferrari 3200 can be OC just slightly and you'll still lag slightly behind in this type of benchmarks.
Haha. The point of that statement was to show you how very close my mitac is to your ferrari 3200. Thus, if someone is looking for a laptop with good battery life, you'd obviously reccomend your ferrari (because of it's insane 2 hr battery life) and I could reccomend my mitac and say with a slight oc, you get roughly the same performance of the ferrari, but much better battery life.
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post #73 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by ebonix3000
He helped me to choose the computer that I have today. The only time I see him post about his computer, is when it's needed, like when someone wants info on an inexpensive gamming computer. I have never seen him post when it's not needed.
Pay close attention to this poster's specific requirements:

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Originally Posted by LQQK
I’m looking for opinions and recommendations.

This will be my first notebook computer and I’m far from knowing what everything means (internal as well as external) and quite frankly I don’t care how it works just as long as it works.

I’ll try and list all of my needs, I’m sure there are some functions that I just don’t know about and would regret later on for not making the right decision now...so I’m hoping (sort of counting on) that those of you who have been around the block a time or two will steer me down that sweet road to happiness and enjoyment.

Here are some of my needs and wants:

Budget $1500-$2000
15-inch screen
Lightweight preferred
DVD viewing (DVD burner if practical for a notebook)
Plays CDs
Wireless Internet surfing in my house (we have broadband for our desktop computer) (I need everything to make surfing available wirelessly)
I mainly surf the net, I’m not much for playing games
Mouse (Wireless or Wired recommendation)
Battery (Type that lasts)
Enough ports or connections for today’s equipment as well as tomorrow’s (USB’s etc.)
Support
Bag
Speed
Ram ???
HD ???
Good Video Card (I think that’s what you call it)
(THINGS I’VE OVERLOOKED THAT YOU WOULD NOT)

I’ve listed things that I hear others talk about.
I wouldn’t know the difference between one brand vs. the other brand when it comes to internal parts…So please I’m not looking for the best, as is obvious from my budget but I am looking for the proverbial “Best Bang 4 the Buck”

If my budget is way off, please let me know, I would prefer to stay closer to $1500 but I realize that I may have to push $2000 or even a little above that…

Thank you

LQQK
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Originally Posted by Snorre
Acer Ferrari 3200 gives a lot of bang 4 the buck
This is only one of many cases where he has suggested the Ferrari when it was completely contraindicated by the user's needs. However, I won't spend any more time looking up similar examples because I've already wasted enough time on a person who contributes nothing to this community.
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post #74 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:41pm
Dothan is the best laptop CPU atm.
A64 is the best desktop maybe even best DTR CPU.

I like AMD also, so I would like to see them own the laptop market when M$ finally release XP64. Until then, I'm a Dothan fan
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post #75 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:42pm
DoomMessiah: If you're really interested in how the Dothan stacks up against the competition performance wise I suggest that you have a look at these reviews:

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...othan20&page=3
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...id=gmso&page=4
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2129&p=7

I hope this helps
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post #76 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by ebonix3000
It's better than an overpriced Sager or Alienware
I paid 1830 for my 3790.
With the 2.0 it would still only cost 2050, and I don't have to worry about buying other parts, and selling old ones of eBay to recoup the cost
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post #77 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by snorre
DoomMessiah: If you're really interested how the Dothan stacks up to the competition performance wise I suggest that you have a look at these reviews:

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...othan20&page=3
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...id=gmso&page=4
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2129&p=7

I hope this helps
Now this is a good post.
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post #78 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by snorre
DoomMessiah: If you're really interested how the Dothan stacks up to the competition performance wise I suggest that you have a look at these reviews:

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...othan20&page=3
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...id=gmso&page=4
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2129&p=7

I hope this helps
yes, please take a look at those. You'll see that the dothan outperforms the incredible athlon64 in some benchmarks, while the athlon64 beats the dothan in others.

Also snorre, in regards to your statement about Doom 3 being unplayable on a Pentium M, I know that I and hundred of others had great gaming experience with the Pentium M.

I played doom 3 on 1280x800 with high settings and averaged 29 fps. And thanks to a nice memory cache tweak, I got around 20fps during fights. Very playable IMO.
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post #79 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by snorre
DoomMessiah: If you're really interested how the Dothan stacks up to the competition performance wise I suggest that you have a look at these reviews:

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...othan20&page=3
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...id=gmso&page=4
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2129&p=7

I hope this helps
DoomMessiah: If you're really interested how the Dothan stacks up to the competition performance wise I suggest that you have a look at these reviews:

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...othan20&page=5
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...othan20&page=6

Sorry... couldn't resist the parody
The links I posted are from the same review, the next 2 pages in which the Dothan beats the Athlon.
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post #80 of 116
8/23/04 at 1:54pm
Haha, I hadn't even noticed that he only referenced specific pages that favored the AMD64....classic and, I'd argue, a perfect illustration by the offender himself of our assertions of his biased input.
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