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post #21 of 42
6/2/03 at 10:13pm
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is their a price difference?
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post #22 of 42
6/2/03 at 10:51pm
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Originally posted by JoshBowers
So if the Nvidia is faster, and the Centrinos can keep up even with the newer chips, why would anyone want anything else? Sure it slows down when on battery, but who uses a laptop to play games without having it plugged in?

It's just strange, that if these laptops keep up in speed, are faster in some tests, and last longer on battery, why would anyone buy anything else? Like I said, I have to be missing something, or everyone would be buying a Centrino wouldn't they?

I appreciate the links and info, but it just seems like something is wrong.
As someone mentioned earlier you should refer to it as the banias chip unless you're talking about the chipset (cpu+wireless card) As for the banias chip, I don't think the current banias chip or anounced (1.7ghz) will keep up with a 3+ ghz on a 800fsb and dual ddr.
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post #23 of 42
6/2/03 at 11:01pm
Yeah I'm also planning on either getting a centrion proc or a 3.06 ghz pent. 4. But then I kinda think to myself there are power outlets everywhere in college and it's not like i'm going to be taking my lappy into my classa becuase I would think that the typing on the keyboard would distract students or the teacher.

Also why doesn't sager use the nvidia graphics if it's faster than ati's ?
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post #24 of 42
6/2/03 at 11:33pm
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Originally posted by SStignei
Yeah I'm also planning on either getting a centrion proc or a 3.06 ghz pent. 4. But then I kinda think to myself there are power outlets everywhere in college and it's not like i'm going to be taking my lappy into my classa becuase I would think that the typing on the keyboard would distract students or the teacher.

Also why doesn't sager use the nvidia graphics if it's faster than ati's ?
Because till very recently that wasnt the case and when th e m10 is out i think ati will be back on top...
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post #25 of 42
6/2/03 at 11:37pm
the m9 is still a kick ass card compared to the new nvidia anyway
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post #26 of 42
6/3/03 at 12:12am
centrino, banias, same difference. and no, of course the 1.7 BANIAS wont keep up with a p4 3.xx on 800 FSB. but then again, you cant buy that yet. its simply a trade off, one isnt better than the other.
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post #27 of 42
6/3/03 at 12:18am
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Why would typing distact the teacher or students? It's not like the keyboard is like a type writer, is it? I would thing laptop keyboards are even quiter than a desktop keyboard.

On top of that I know some people who can't write very well (hard time controling hands) and typing is a lot easier for them (just punch keys instead of trying to hold and munipulate (sp?) a pen.)

I type over 80 words per minute, my accuracy has gone down because I haven't been typing as much, I use to type over 100 wpm. I plan on using my laptop in class and using it to take notes.

I am not sure about my college, but I know of others who have no problem, and most people use them to take notes, it's faster, more organized, dog can't eat them....
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post #28 of 42
6/3/03 at 12:33am
they are MUCH quieter than desktop keyboards, however you can still hear them if you listen carefully
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post #29 of 42
6/3/03 at 12:36am
Well can't I just get the sager 5070 and get a second battery that will make the battery life 3.5 hours the same amount as the centrion proc. Then later on in life buy some extra batterys to use.

This is the bes conclusion that I have with my battery life needs and amount of power that I would like from a proc. ( Not that the centrino is bad but it will probably be out done in a year or so.)
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post #30 of 42
6/3/03 at 12:45am
I have one theory about these centrino's (banias) supposedly out-performing desktop p4's, its because the software has no need for such high speeds yet and while requiring low speeds to run, the banias will seem to outperform the p4 (due to pipeline modifications and whathaveyou), but given software requirements that will increase over time, the banias will become rather sluggish as the software pushes its limit, however the desktop p4 will remain smooth with its substantial potential for higher speeds. All depends on what programs you are/will be running in the future.
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post #31 of 42
6/3/03 at 12:50am
I believe Intel will fade out Pentium4-M soon and Centrino(Pentium-M) will be the only CPU for laptop from Intel. If you are looking for a new roadmap from Intel, the next Pentium-M will feature 2MB cache with 533FSB.
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post #32 of 42
6/3/03 at 12:51am
dread has a point, performance depends on what you run. intensive 3d rendering/design apps will definitely run better on a p4. obviously. stuff like that.

a 5670 with the modular battery wont get you 3.5 hours. someone please doublecheck me (i have no doubts about that...) but i think on dvd playback, the second battery gets you to right at 2:30. sagers suck with battery. the p4 runs full speed all the time. you are supposed to be able to underclock them through the bios, but ive never heard of anyone succesfully doing this. beebster tried for like a week, didnt he?

if you are a MOBILE user, look at a centrino (banias, w/e) solution. if battery time isnt important for you and you want the HT, etc., then get a p4. its simple, really. one is not better than the other.
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post #33 of 42
6/3/03 at 12:56am
the bios just has a throttling option in it that can be set to throttle the cpu down to either 75% power or 50% power when on battery, default should be 50% but if not you can change it. dont have my laptop with me right now to check where the option is (getting laptop back tommorow) but if you look around a bit you'll find it
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post #34 of 42
6/3/03 at 2:05am
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I plan on getting one of the next sagers. Hopefully my class rooms will have power outlets near the desks, if not then i'll move my desk next to one. If the teacher has a problem with it, we'll work it out, I don't see any reason why they would though. I figure all class rooms have outlets (for Tvs, etc).


I just wanted to make sure I understood the difference. I was under the same impression Someguy was under (neither was better, just different) but with all the people showing benchmarks with compareable scores, high 3dMark scores, etc I was getting a little confused.
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post #35 of 42
6/3/03 at 4:09am
I thought the idea behind the Centrino's was that the WAN was built on-die into the processor?! I thought it was in Tomshardware that they outlined the specifics of the Centrinos and the way I read it was that they implemented a new cpu die that enabled wan without a seperate card.

I could be wrong mind you....but that's what I thought I heard.
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post #36 of 42
6/3/03 at 4:12am
that what I thought it was at first too, but you do need a second peice of hardware (the wirless card) to make it work.
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post #37 of 42
6/3/03 at 4:22am
So in truth then there's no difference from their WAN than what Sager's have with the built in cards!

Chock one more up for Intel's marketing department.....I'm pretty tech savy and they snowballed me!
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post #38 of 42
6/3/03 at 5:25am
yeah...like someone previously stated the centrino "package" is a marketing ploy.

centrino chip + intel mobo + intel wireless minipci card = centrino
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post #39 of 42
6/3/03 at 5:36am
banias chip u mean

i just remember it as "banannas"
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post #40 of 42
6/3/03 at 1:19pm
same damn thing
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