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post #21 of 29
I've said this before and I guess I have to say it again. Tom's is biased site. They try to slant everything towards Nvidia and Intel. You need only compare their 5800 ultra reviews with that of other sites to see this is true. Also that article was not very good. It only tested synthetic benchmarks. Wait for reviews by good reputable sites, like hardocp.com and anandtech.com. Don't make judgments based off of one or two sites. If anything the ones who get their previews out first should be questioned because it means they rushed to be able to post as soon as the non disclosure agreament expires. The 9600 may in fact suck, but I wont base my opinion on anything Tom's site or any one site states. Plus since its the 9600 pro that sager is getting.
It looks like we still have to wait to see what the performance is really going to be.
post #22 of 29
Quote:
I've said this before and I guess I have to say it again. Tom's is biased site.
Strange. Tom was biased toward Athlon when it was superior...
was largely responsible for original 1g p3 being pulled off the mkt.
Seems he's always biased toward best-performing tech.
post #23 of 29
I can't wait for the 5600 review
post #24 of 29
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Originally posted by br2
Strange. Tom was biased toward Athlon when it was superior...
was largely responsible for original 1g p3 being pulled off the mkt.
Seems he's always biased toward best-performing tech.
Things change:

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/...s&Main=2239492

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/...=1#Post2246334

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/...s&Main=2289228

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/...=1#Post2200110

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/...s&Main=2213288

and a real doozy from anandtech.com

http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...AR_MSGDBTABLE=
post #25 of 29
"Things change:"

Maybe you're right. I think he liked the opteron under linux tho.
post #26 of 29
Take any one review with a grain of salt. Even if its Hardocp or anandtech. Thats the real point I'm trying to make. Tom's site has problems and I hate to have people basing their judgments only on that one review. Also there is a major difference between 9600 and 9600 pro. I just want people to realize that there is still hope for the new models to reach are expectations. Or at least get closer to them.
post #27 of 29
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Wrong, the 4200 go does support hardware dx8, the m10 (pro and non pro) support hardware dx9
woops I take that back lol got mixed up with the 460go? hehe oh well

though dx9 is not much of a big deal being able to run aa on with good framerates is a improvment plus the nit picky dx9 rare special effects your get eventually (when certain games incorperate it)

Doom III has a bit
post #28 of 29
You guys have to keep in mind that the high-power/high-weight/short battery life Clevo/Sager/Alienware philosophy is only a tiny fragment of the laptop market.

The NVidia 4200 Go card is a very powerful piece of hardware that was generally impractical. It is not as old as most of you seem to think it is; it was just showing up in March, when the Dx9 cards were announced.

The 4200 Go is considerably more powerful than the ATI Mobility 9000. But it's hotter and consumes more power. As far as I am aware, it's really only been implemented in a truly portable form in the Dell Latitude D 800.

The power of that card in that laptop is evident. Sporting a Pentium M-1.6, the D 800 churned out better 3D Mark numbers in CNet's test than the Alienware Area 51m, which was outfitted with a P4 3.06. If you compare Anandtech's gaming performance benchmarks, the D 800 dusts a Sager 8886 with a P4 2.8 Ghz and a Hypersonic Aviator with a 3.06.

The difference there is the 4200 Go slamming the Radeon Mobility 9000 so badly that it more than makes up the performance difference between a Pentium M and a full-on Desktop P4.

But the Dell D 800 also has poor battery life for a Centrino notebook, and weighs more than seven pounds. This is the tradeoff for that power.

The M10 is supposed to consume the same amount of power in the M9. That means that we should see 3D power of equal to the D800 and the Sager 8886 in sub-6 lb. notebooks that last 5 hours on a single battery in the next few weeks.

This is a big leap in notebook performance, but unfortunately offers no big leap for Sager fans.

Clevo/Sager/Alienware notebooks seem to be intended to be plugged in, and are only portable in the sense that you can move them from one place where you can plug them in to another.

Choosing the power of a full desktop chip in a notebook, at the cost of 10 lb. weights and 2 hour batteries is not a sacrifice most mobile users, or even most mobile gamers can afford to make.

I will be attending law school this fall and I found Sager when I started looking for a laptop. Actually, I found Alienware first, and then found that Sager was the same thing, minus the paint job.

At first, a full-sized desktop P4 in a laptop seemed like a great idea. But it's completely impractical for student needs. The computer alone weighs ten pounds, and will require me to carry either a power source, extra batteries, or both to make it through a day.

Nearly all law schools and an increasing number of undergraduate schools are requiring or strongly encouraging students to own laptops. This significant and growing market needs to carry their computers every day and needs to get a lot of mileage out of a battery. A big chunk of this market also wants to play cutting-edge games, and for them, the M10 is a great development.

For the Clevo market, you should see a proportional boost when you pair an M10 chip with a desktop processor. I'm guessing based on the current benchmark differences that the difference between a full P4 and a Pentium M should push the 3D marks for a Sager-type computer with this card to about 13,000
post #29 of 29
that's why were getting the 9600 in a couple of months
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