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Toshiba Satellite M35-S4561 vs Acer Aspire 2025wlmi

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I'm looking into buying a laptop around the middle of this month and I have narrowed my choices down to the Toshiba Satellite M35-S4561 and the Acer Aspire 2025wlmi.

The specs are as follows:

Toshiba:

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Product Highlights
Performance
• Intel® Centrino™ mobile technology
o Intel® Pentium® M processor 735
o Intel® 855PM chipset
o Intel® PRO/Wireless 2200BG
• 512MB of Main Memory
Slim Design
• 80GB** hard disk drive
• DVD SuperMulti drive
Great Features
• 15.4" WXGA active-matrix screen display*** with TruBrite™
Screen Technology
• High-Quality Video Engine
• NVIDIA® GeForce™ FX Go5200 graphics controller; 64MB DDR
SDRAM external video memory
• Composite Monitor-IN port
Get On-Line
• Integrated V.92/56K modem
• Integrated 10/100 Ethernet LAN
• Integrated 802.11b/g Wireless LAN module
System Characteristics
Operating System
• Microsoft® Windows XP Pro pre-installed (M35-S4561)
CPU/Chipset information
• Intel® Pentium® M processor 735*
o (1.70GHz, 2MB L2 Cache, 400MHz Front Side Bus)
• Intel® 855PM Chipset
• Intel® PRO/Wireless 2200BG
Memory
• 512MB DDR SDRAM (Both slots may be occupied at time of
purchase) , expandable to 2048MB (2 DIMM)
• Optional available expansion memory modules:
256MB/512/1028MB, SODIMM: Memory compatible with PC2100
DDR266 and PC2700 DDR333
Data/Address Bus Width: 64bit/32bit
Mass Storage - HDD/Optical Drive
• Primary Hard Disk Drive: 80GB** hard disk drive, Enhanced
IDE (ATA-5) interface, 4200rpm drive rotation; 9.5mm height,
0.2lbs, Service Removable
• DVD Super Multi drive: 12.7mm, Enhanced IDE Interface;
service removable
Maximum speed: CD-ROM(24x), CD-R(16x), CD-RW(8x), DVDROM(
8x), DVD-R(4x), DVD-RW(2x), DVD+R(2.4x),
DVD+RW(2.4x), DVD-RAM(2x)
Compatibility: CD-ROM(read), CD-R(read/write), CDRW(
read/write), DVD-ROM(read), DVD-R(read/write), DVDRW(
read/re-write), DVD+R(read/write), DVD+RW(read/write),
DVD-RAM(read/re-write)
Graphics/Video
• 15.4" WXGA active-matrix display with TruBrite Screen
Technology; internal display supports up to 16M colors at 1280 x
800 internal LCD resolution
• NVIDIA® GeForce™ FX Go5200 graphics controller with 64MB
DDR SDRAM external video memory, AGP 4X interface
• High quality Video Engine (HVE):
o Black extension, White extension, Sharpness, LCD
Over Drive, Edge Enhancement (only Monitor-IN), 3DComb
filter (only Monitor-IN), Noise Reduction (only
Monitor-IN), 10-bit AD Converter (only Monitor-IN),
NTSC/PAL Video decoder (use for Monitor-IN)
Sound
• STAC9750TG Codec Chip; Software Sound; 16-bit stereo, full
duplex support, AC'97 Rev2.2 compatible
• Built-in harman/kardon stereo speakers
• Built-in Microphone (monaural); Direct 3D Sound (supported by
driver), DirectSound (supported by driver) and DirectMusic
(supported by driver); MIDI (playback) Support; Sound Volume
(by Dial);
• Ports: External Microphone port (monaural), Headphone port
(stereo), Line-in port (shared with Monitor-IN)
Input Devices
• Keyboard: Full sized 85 keys with 12 function keys, 2.7mm key
stroke, 6mm height; Dedicated Windows® keys support; HotKey
function; Integrated TouchPad pointing device with Scroll function
(by software on Touchpad)
• CD Control Function: Mode Control Switch (CD/DVD/Digital
Audio), Skip to Previous Track, Play, Stop, Skip to Next Track
• Express Media Player button
• TV-out button
• Monitor-IN button
Expandability
• 2 Memory slots – Both slots may be occupied at time of purchase
• 1 PC Card slot supports 1 Type II PC Card
Communications
• Integrated V.92/56K modem; Data and fax support
• Integrated 10/100 Ethernet LAN
• Integrated Wireless LAN (Intel 802.11b/g)
Ports
• Composite In (Monitor-IN) port
• RGB (monitor) port
• 4 Universal Serial Bus ports (USB)
• TV-Out (S-Video)
• RJ-45 LAN Port
• RJ-11 modem port
• i.LINK™ (IEEE 1394)
• Secure Digital® (SD) card slot
• Line-In port
Physical Description
• Dimensions (LxWxH): 14.2" x 10.6" x 1.4"
• Weight: 6.17 lbs
Acer

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OS Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
Processor Intel® Pentium® M Processor 745 1.80GHz
Memory 512MB (256/256)
Storage 80GB hard drive
Super Multi Write Plus (DVD -RW, +RW, -RAM) drive
4-in-1 card reader
TFT Display 15.4" WXGA (1280 x 800)
Graphics ATI® MOBILITYTM
RADEONTM 9700, 128 MB DDR
Connectivity 802.11b/g WLAN, BluetoothTM, Gigabit LAN, V.92 modem

Specifications

Intel® CentrinoTM Mobile Technology
- Intel® Pentium® M processor
- Intel® PRO/Wireless network connection
- Intel® 855 chipset family

Installed Operating System
Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional

Processor
Intel® Pentium® M processor 1.80GHz, 2MB L2 cache, 400MHz system bus

Chipset
Intel® 855GME

Memory
512MB DDR333 SDRAM (256MB installed in each of two memory slots)

User upgradeable up to 1GB (one 512MB memory card in each slot)2 or
2GB (one 1GB memory card in each slot) subject to availability of 1GB
cards

Storage
80GB ATA/100 hard disk drive

Internal trayless, slot-load Super Multi Write Plus drive maximum speeds:
Read – 4X DVD-R, 4X DVD-RW, 4X DVD+R, 4X DVD+RW, 8X DVD-ROM, 24X
CD-ROM, 2X DVD-RAM
Write – 2.4X DVD+R, 2.4X DVD+RW, 4X DVD-R, 2X DVD-RW, 16XCD-R, 8X
CD-RW, 2X DVD-RAM

Front-access 4-in-1 card reader for optional MultiMediaCardTM (MMC),
Secure Digital (SD) card, SmartMediaTM card or Memory Stick®

Video
15.4" WXGA (1280 x 800) TFT LCD, up to 16.7 million colors, with
features powered by CyberLink®:
Cinema Vision - Fits 4:3 and 16:10 video to LCD with non-linear
stretching algorithm
Clear Vision - Detects video frame by frame and changes saturation,
brightness and contrast controls dynamically to deliver sharper, more
vivid image
ATI® MOBILITYTM RADEONTM 9700 graphics, 128MB video memory

VGA, S-video TV out ports

Support for simultaneous display on notebook LCD and external monitor

Audio
2.1-channel stereo speakers with subwoofer, integrated microphone,
virtual surround sound powered by CyberLink®, stereo microphone/line
in, stereo headphone/speaker/line out, Microsoft® DirectSound®
compatibility

Interface Ports
Three USB 2.0, DC in, parallel, RJ-11 modem, RJ-45 LAN, VGA, S-video
TV out, stereo microphone/line in, stereo headphone/speaker/line out,
FireWire® (IEEE 1394), FIR (fast infrared)

Card Slots
Type II PC Card slot, 32-bit PC CardBus architecture, Zoomed Video support

Front-access 4-in-1 card reader for optional MultiMediaCardTM (MMC),
Secure Digital (SD) card, SmartMediaTM card or Memory Stick®

Connectivity
V.92 56Kbps3 data/fax modem, PTT (postal, telegraph, telephone)
certified in select countries, Wake-on-Ring ready; 10/100 LAN,
Wake-on-LAN ready; Intel® PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection,
802.11b/g WI-FI CERTIFIED

Included Software
Installed: Acer Launch Manager, Adobe® Acrobat® Reader, Aspire Arcade,
CyberLink® PowerDirectorTM,4 Intel® PROSet, Norton AntiVirus® 2004,4
NTI CD-Maker™ 6 Gold

On CD shipped with the system: Acer System Recovery

Aspire Arcade
Software suite with five digital media modes includes features that
allow users to:
Edit and author videos
View DVDs and videos
Display and edit photo slide shows
Record and play music
Burn files onto CD or DVD disks

File formats supported:
Video - ASF, WMV, MPEG1, MPEG2, DAT
Image - BMP, JPG, PNG
Disk - DVD, SVCD, VCD 1.0, VCD 2.0
Audio - MP3, WMA, WAV, CDA

User Interface
Touchpad with four-way Internet scroll key

85-key keyboard, inverted T cursor layout, embedded numeric keypad,
3.0mm minimum key travel

Easy-launch keys: two user-programmable, Web browser, e-mail with LED

Media console: Aspire Arcade button, console display, stop, five-way
media controls (previous, next, play/pause, volume up, volume down)

Wireless button with LEDs

Average Dimensions and Weights
14.2" (360.0mm) W x 10.7" (273.0mm) D x 1.1" - 1.3" (28.0mm - 33.5mm)
H / 6.6 lb. (3.0kg)

Power
Eight-cell lithium ion battery: up to 5.0 hours life depending on
configuration and usage; 2.0 hours recharge time with system off, 3.5
hours with system in use

ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) 1.0b support
My concerns are as follows:

1.) The Acer is a tad faster than the Toshiba. 1.8 vs 1.7. Does this make a significant difference?
2.) Acer uses an 8-cell battery, which Toshiba uses a 6-cell one. Again, is there a big difference?
3.) A friend told me that GeForce is much better than Mobility Radeon. Since I'll be using the laptop a lot for multimedia and graphics (no gaming, though), this is important to me. The TruBrite screen is also helpful.
4.) I hear the Toshiba runs much hotter than the Acer. Since my computer is on all day, that concerns me.
5.) Toshiba has no bluetooth, meaning I have to get an extra USB attachment for it.
6.) I like that the Toshiba has a tray for the DVD Drive, as I'm very careful in handling my discs.

Since the Acer would be about $200-300 more expensive, though, I'm wondering if my qualms are enough to merit my going for it anyway. Plus, my friends all say that the Toshiba is more reliable and that it's more suited for my uses.

I was hoping to get a third opinion. Given my concerns, which model do you think would be better?

I'd truly appreciate the input, especially from those with Toshiba experience (my current laptop is an Acer Aspire 1400 and I have had no problems with service, so I'm not concerned over that. That being said, it's only two years old and I've had to replace a modem and the monitor went dark once -- had to replace a board underneath the LCD -- so I don't know if I can attest to its durability.)

Thank you very much!
post #2 of 12
To tell you the truth, you're deciding between a DTR(Acer) and a notebook. Secondly, it is the Mobility Radeon 9700 not Mobility Radeon, which is currently the high end of laptop gaming. The final decision will be your useage. If you need performance then the Aspire will suit better; however, if your concern is mobility and comfort then the Satellite will suit better. Given by your conditions, the Satellite should be your best bet based these two laptops.
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
I see. Well, I'm not going to be carting the laptop around much, as I plan to still use my Aspire 1400 for day to day travel (don't want to bang up the new computer). So the added .4 pounds isn't a big deal.

Does the Mobility Radeon 9700 make playing DVDs, etc, better, or is it mainly for gaming?
post #4 of 12
The 9700 won't make DVD's play any better. C

On a tangent...how on earth do you call the Acer a DTR and not the Toshiba? LOok at their dimensions...they are almost identical but for a 1/2 pound difference. They're both share the same widescreen form factor. To call on e aDTR and not the other is beyond incorrect.
post #5 of 12
Hey Irina, read your PM, no problem, here goes:

My concerns are as follows:

1.) The Acer is a tad faster than the Toshiba. 1.8 vs 1.7. Does this make a significant difference?

Not very much, imo. Unless you do really intensive stuff like play high end games or use rendering/photoediting/videoediting software

2.) Acer uses an 8-cell battery, which Toshiba uses a 6-cell one. Again, is there a big difference?

the number of cells tend to increase the capacity of the battery, allowing for a longer battery life. However, battery life is also dependent on the amount of current the lappie draws. no idea what the toshiba draws, but the acer can go up to 4 hrs on normal use easily (i.e. websurfing and stuff). dvds and 3d intensive games will drain it in around 3 hrs and 2 hrs respectively

3.) A friend told me that GeForce is much better than Mobility Radeon. Since I'll be using the laptop a lot for multimedia and graphics (no gaming, though), this is important to me. The TruBrite screen is also helpful.

your friend obviously isn't a techie. the geforce 5200 is a generation behind the radeon 9700, which means that games run slower and less prettily on the geforce. however, there shouldn't be much difference when it comes to multimedia. that's mostly cpu intensive. I highly suspect that Trubrite is nothing but a marketting gimmick, but it would make better sense if you went to a shop and compared them with your own eyes. sometimes this kinda stuff is subjective.. apparently some manufacturers have glossy finishes on their screens which make them look vibrant but also increases reflectivity and glare. IMO, the acer has a great lcd screen, but apparently most of the 15.4" widescreens on the markets are good anyway.

4.) I hear the Toshiba runs much hotter than the Acer. Since my computer is on all day, that concerns me.

no comment there, but centrinos generally run cooler than their p4 counterparts anyway, so it probably isn't that big an issue. you can always buy a external cooling pad or something if you're worried about heat.
5.) Toshiba has no bluetooth, meaning I have to get an extra USB attachment for it.

will you be using bluetooth in the near future? it's always good to have something extra but sometimes it might just be a white elephant.

6.) I like that the Toshiba has a tray for the DVD Drive, as I'm very careful in handling my discs.

the slot does make it easier to load discs in confined places, compared to a tray, and doesn't seem to do any damage to discs. however, the mat****a drive that comes with the acer is pretty fussy with dvd media, and burns at 4x only on branded dvd-r media(i.e. sonys, verbatims) so if speed and time is a concern it might not be a good choice. there doesn't seem to be a region-free patch for the drive as well, so if you have dvd discs from more than one region it might be a problem.

Since the Acer would be about $200-300 more expensive, though, I'm wondering if my qualms are enough to merit my going for it anyway. Plus, my friends all say that the Toshiba is more reliable and that it's more suited for my uses.

toshiba does have a good reputation but acer is steadily working its way up... its recent products all seem to have earned decent reviews, and for the price you pay, you do get good quality stuff. if price is a big concern perhaps you might want to consider the similar aspire 2010 series instead. Toshiba is imo sorta slow in innovation like most of the other japanese brands.

I was hoping to get a third opinion. Given my concerns, which model do you think would be better?

i am a acer owner, so can't really answer that question well. perhaps you should have a look at the lappies in a store yoruself and decide which one you like the feel of.
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I e-mailed the resale executive at acer, in charge of Ca and the only place that *might* carry an Acer Aspire 2025 in store is in So Cal so there isn't a way for me to see the screen. This is the decision maker for me so if anyone has actually seen the screen on both the Toshiba M35S456 and the Acer Aspire 2025 and has a reliable opinion on which one is better please post for me! I've seen the Toshiba Trubrite (and although hwfan says its a marketing gimmick, I do like the sharpness! It was much better or at least as good (I say this because there was a UXGA on display too) as every other laptop on display. I'm, willing, if the acer screen is not as nice for regular usage-- surfing web, word processing, dvd, and even just the windows desktop-- to drop down to the slower toshiba. And one last thing... does anyone know how the acer 80gb hd compares -in speed- to the Toshiba 80gb 4200 rpm<-- that's slow!?
Thanks! ohh one last thing... I know that the Harman/kardon speakers are supposed to be high quality... if I were not getting external speakers and my laptop will be my main music hub (i listen to music alot!) would it be worth it to go for the toshiba just for that? Or is this question invalid -- i should just get external speakers either way?
post #7 of 12
hmm, seems like acer has to work on getting its laptops into american stores.. they are real common in asian and european computer stores, from what i've heard.

screen - go for the toshiba if you like it. seriously. the best laptop is useless if you can't stand the screen

hard disk - ibm 4200 rpm, no much diff from the tosh.

speakers - notebook speakers are all crud. full stop. that said, yes, harmon kardon is a pretty good brand and all toshibas have em it seems. the acer has pretty good sound cos of the extra subwoofer but they are soft, though sound is pretty good cos the bass provides good lower frequency responses which negates some of the "tinny" sound most laptop speakers produce. i have seen toshibas with subwoofers too though...

well from your responses, i think you should go with the toshiba, since you don't really play games and thus don't need the extra graphic muscle the acer has. do post a review if you can!
post #8 of 12
Thankyou hwfan. For some reason I am hooked on this acer. I like the look alot and I think it might be quite a bit faster. If I get the Toshiba I will always feel like I got my second pick.. while i thought it was a simple choice between the two.. that I could go either way, I guess I favored one, and for no real reason. I wish this wasn't so! haha I guess I just have to suck it up and get the Toshiba. Lastly, do you think I should buy online at Toshiba Direct - so I can get it loaded with Windows XP Professional( which is recommended by my college), or should I get it at a retail store, like Best Buy or Circuit City, w/XP Home?
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 
Will you ever be using it for networking? I'm getting it from Toshiba Direct, because my current laptop works with Home and it's a pain when hooking up to the LAN at work. Printing and other things takes extra time and effort.

Thank you so much for that detailed response to my questions, hwfan. That was very, very helpful, indeed.

I do a bit of graphic/web work on Photoshop, but no video, etc. I'm hoping the .1 GHz difference in speed won't be significant with that program.

I'm glad to hear that the Acer screen is good as it is. I haven't had the chance to compare them, however, and I hope I find a store that carries both.

I'm getting an iPaq together with the laptop, and I'm also looking into a wireless/bluetooth mouse, so yes, I'll be using bluetooth. But I guess getting an extension isn't a very big deal.

The price range of both works for me. In fact, if really need be, I'd be willing to spring for an acer Travelmate 8006, while is about $300-400 more. My concern is only if it would be worth doing so for the kind of use/performance I'm looking for, or if the money's best spent elsewhere.

Thanks again for your insights. I'm leaning toward the Toshiba at the moment, after all you've given me to think about, but I'm not fully decided yet.
post #10 of 12
hmm, it seems that the screen may be a big factor in your decisions? well, in my experience, perhaps the closest approximation to the acer's screen is that of the compaq x1000's WXGA screen, so perhaps you can have a look at that in the store and see if you like it.. they are pretty similar.

As to whether you should buy direct or from a store, i would recommend direct only if you're sure you would definitely like the lappy and don't intend to return it. I'm not sure about toshiba direct's policy but i believe best buy et al. offer a 30 day money back guarantee and stuff? that might be useful if you change your mind soon after getting the lappy.

not sure why you would need winxp pro over home, but perhaps your university would have a good reason for that.
post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 
Hmm. That's true. Thanks for the input, hwfan. I'll check out both lappys at a store and see. Your help is much appreciated.
post #12 of 12
Hi Irina,

I'd just like to add that I bought the M35-S456 without realising that it hasn't got BT or IR....

But then, I've already got both USB dongles handy as i've bought them for my desktop PC.

So what I did is upgraded XP to SP2... plug any of the dongles in... and voila!! No need to install any additional drivers for them... SP2 will recognise them instantly...
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