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post #61 of 124
9/10/04 at 3:53am
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Originally Posted by Uriel
someone correct me if I am worng, but doesn't this mean that we will not see Axiom in notebooks with Alviso chipsets. They are considered thin and light.
Some pentium M notebooks are by no means thin and light, just look at the Sony A series 17 inch...
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post #62 of 124
9/10/04 at 7:40am
ok, thats 1. what about the others? no Axiom?
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post #63 of 124
9/10/04 at 9:39am
I guess that would make sence...

Space is at a permium in T&L, so to keep the card at its smallest size... no AXIOM...?
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post #64 of 124
9/10/04 at 4:12pm
Remember, folks, the original statement and its converse do not have the same truth value! ATI says non-upgradable PCIe GPUs will come with T&L notebooks. But they never said that all T&L notebooks will come with nonupgradable PCIe GPUs.
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post #65 of 124
9/11/04 at 3:06pm
If Nvidia has sizes of MXM for thin and lights, I'm willing to bet ATI's not going to miss the boat and cede the market to Nvidia there.

These are cards are VERY thin and small (at least what I saw up close and personal with Nvidia's this week) so it should be possible to get them into a T&L.

Nvidia said you might not be able to get the top of the line cards that are meant for the DTR's, but there should be some pretty good choices available.

Super
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post #66 of 124
9/12/04 at 3:42pm
Techincal specs aside,
Does anyone find it ironic that we have companies with entire lines of "hard core gaming laptops" and a comapny like Acer is the first out to market?
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post #67 of 124
9/12/04 at 3:52pm
Acer after all is affiliated with many ODMs, and is based in Taiwan. They are much closer to the center of where all these new laptops are developed.
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post #68 of 124
9/12/04 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by Superguy
If Nvidia has sizes of MXM for thin and lights, I'm willing to bet ATI's not going to miss the boat and cede the market to Nvidia there.

These are cards are VERY thin and small (at least what I saw up close and personal with Nvidia's this week) so it should be possible to get them into a T&L.

Nvidia said you might not be able to get the top of the line cards that are meant for the DTR's, but there should be some pretty good choices available.

Super
You're right Super. If you take a look at ATI's webpage you'll see that the X600 is actually the middle of the road gpu.

There is the X300 that will be used in the smaller T&L versions and cheaper notebooks as well.

I have to agree with everyone else about the Axiom subject though. If Acer was putting out a PCIe notebook and wasn't specifically saying they were using AXIOM either they're A: Not using AXIOM, or B: They're marketing team is full of dumba$$es who don't recognize the importance of interchangable gpu's.
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post #69 of 124
9/16/04 at 6:34pm
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post #70 of 124
9/16/04 at 8:50pm
Well, it appears that this Acer notebook is non-upgradable (No mention of it anywhere, at all, companies make noise when they have upgradable graphics, with press releases and marketing. See Dell or Alienware).

So that brings the question, who cares if it's PCI-Express? PCI-Express for graphics has no performance improvements. In fact, even top-of-the-line graphics cards, if I recall correctly, run just as fast on AGP-4x as AGP-8x. With PCI-Express having the unidirectional bandwidth of what would be AGP-16x, it's overkill with no benefits.

Now, the PCI-Express solution that is scheduled to replace PCMCIA, that's something. As are PCI-Express slots for expansion cards, as the PCI bus is a dog.

But PCI-Express for graphics, whoop-tee-doo, it has a zero-performance increase, and I have zero-interest.
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post #71 of 124
9/16/04 at 8:58pm
CoffeeShark mentioned this some pages earlier much as you have, Guspaz. Probably more "revolutionary" than PCI-E graphics.
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post #72 of 124
9/16/04 at 9:00pm
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Originally Posted by Guspaz
Well, it appears that this Acer notebook is non-upgradable (No mention of it anywhere, at all, companies make noise when they have upgradable graphics, with press releases and marketing. See Dell or Alienware).

So that brings the question, who cares if it's PCI-Express? PCI-Express for graphics has no performance improvements. In fact, even top-of-the-line graphics cards, if I recall correctly, run just as fast on AGP-4x as AGP-8x. With PCI-Express having the unidirectional bandwidth of what would be AGP-16x, it's overkill with no benefits.

Now, the PCI-Express solution that is scheduled to replace PCMCIA, that's something. As are PCI-Express slots for expansion cards, as the PCI bus is a dog.

But PCI-Express for graphics, whoop-tee-doo, it has a zero-performance increase, and I have zero-interest.
Karma says that it MUST BE upgradable.

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post #73 of 124
9/16/04 at 9:10pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Enderet
Karma says that it MUST BE upgradable.

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Oh yes. Mostly from the linky you provided showing non-upgradeable PCIe being in T&L. So, thank you for that info, Enderet. If it turns out not to be, I will be interested to know.
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post #74 of 124
9/16/04 at 9:22pm
I'm sure we'll all drop everything we're doing when we get the word and say, "OMG, I gotta go tell Karma!"
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post #75 of 124
9/16/04 at 10:52pm
Thread Starter 
I'm sure you will.
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post #76 of 124
9/16/04 at 11:07pm
Karma, you still insist that this notebook MUST come with upgradable graphics in the form of AXIOM?
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post #77 of 124
9/17/04 at 1:41am
Thread Starter 
Deltawalker, there is more evidence that points to that than otherwise. It's DTR, it's the 915 chipset, it's PCIe. It you look at the two other 17" wide DTR with PCIe & the 915 chipsets (Eurocomm/Sager), they have upgradeable graphics, common sense would say another 17' wide, DTR, 915 chipset PCIe notebook released at the same time as the other two would be the same.
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post #78 of 124
9/17/04 at 1:46am
First of all, the Eurocom and the Sager is one notebook. So counting the Acer, we have two notebooks. Not a lot of precedence, huh?

Second of all, the Sager uses an nVidia card in its initial release. That would suggest that it will use MXM, not AXIOM. In fact, there has been no annoucements regarding AXIOM other than that it exists. No official specification sheet, no diagrams, nothing.

Thirdly, you want to talk about common sense?
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post #79 of 124
9/17/04 at 3:12am
Thread Starter 
First, who cares if it's Axiom of MXM? As long as it's upgradeable. It's PCIe & it a DTR. ATi's chips can fit in MXM, it's only a form-factor nVidia is pushing. Second, remember that even Sager has said that their new notebook can have both chips in it. Third, do you normally base your whole self worth on whether or not you're right? We already decided to sit & wait for more info on that model. Then the loser gets mooned (again).
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post #80 of 124
9/17/04 at 3:15am
Are you suggesting it is a possibility that this Acer notebook is using a MXM formfactor PCIe upgradable graphics card that contains an ATI Mobility X600 chip? Just to clear up the logic...
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