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post #461 of 1072
10/5/04 at 7:35pm
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Originally Posted by Synergi
I'd love to have the 17incher WUXGA but I CANNOT wait til December..im going nuts as it is now lol

Forgive me if im getting jaded over Eurocom's information. Its why I perfer to hear what Sager says. Usually they don't release any information til they pretty much know its a go..
Maybe Eurocomm and other Clevo resellers (is reseller the right word?) are giving us the true picture of what is happening behind the scenes. We're seeing more than just the tip of the iceburg, which is illuminating. But we also realize we're that there is more chaos underwater than what we knew before. Complex supply chain and manufacturing dynamics that are associated with computer products like these are inherantly going to be chaotic.

Einstein said something like, as the diameter of our knowledge increases, the circumference of darkness increases more.
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post #462 of 1072
10/5/04 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by PackBjammin
Based on your picture, you should have no problem getting people to spend frivolous money on you.
Its my avatar..not really me.. But I must say the real Syn aint bad either :P

A Flirt after my own heart..
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post #463 of 1072
10/5/04 at 9:45pm
well, I found a ddr ram review that confirms what i already suspected, in an otherwise identical system, they got higher framerates in every single game with 400mhz ddr than they did with 533mhz ddr2, and 400mhz ddr2 really lags.

Too bad the 9860 is only going to take ddr2....oh well, I guess ddr2 and pci-e are part of the same new mobo, so you have to pay for the overpriced/underperforming ram if you want the slick new vid card.(which i still am i guess....sigh

The Article

if you don't want to read all the technical details, just jump to page 6 to see all the game benchmarks.
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post #464 of 1072
10/6/04 at 8:02am
Well Eurocom has gone and taken down the configurator and any release date for the phantom...hope its not a sign of more delays that would affect the 9860 release date as well
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post #465 of 1072
10/6/04 at 8:38am
As stated in the article, DDR2 ram will take time to get up in performance, the same as the pci-e cards. These same tests done in 6 months or a year will probably show different results. Regardless, the differences between DDR2 and DDR looked pretty small to me. It's not like you're going to take a huge performance hit with DDR 2. The x800xt still doesn't max out the agp bus so it won't be any faster as a pci-e unit. Next year, all sorts of good things will happen. All of these bits will be faster, and AMD will be supporting pci-e and ddr2. It's like christmas....the waiting will be murder.
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post #466 of 1072
10/6/04 at 9:39am
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Originally Posted by jethro9001
Well Eurocom has gone and taken down the configurator and any release date for the phantom...hope its not a sign of more delays that would affect the 9860 release date as well
Actually, the configurator is still there (with the battery upgraded to 12 cell), it's just harder to get to then it was before. Unfortunately, the dissappearence of the release date does seem like a bad omen.

http://web.eurocom.com/EC/server_request=ec_model_config1(1,123,0)
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post #467 of 1072
10/6/04 at 9:40am
I don't care about the negligible performance hit, although in 6 months at the same clock speeds the test results would still be the same. RAM isn't like video cards, they don't release new drivers every month with performance tweaks. The way ddr2 is going to "get up in performance" is by the dramurai releasing faster modules, which wont help somebody who already has $600 worth of ddr2 in their 9860 and now has to throw it away to upgrade.

My gripe is that as similar as the performance is, i'm not too happy about paying 3x the price. That ddr2 performs just a little bit worse as opposed to just a little bit better only adds insult to injury.

***edit***
Might be wrong about the 3x price...I based that on the $360 upgrade to 1gig on the phantom vs. the $125 upgrade to 1gig on the 8790. But I looked again, and Eurocom charges $540!! to make that same upgrade on the 870p. So I guess its not so much that ddr2 is more expensive as it is that Eurocom bends you over and has their way with you when you add more RAM.

***edit again***
That $540 is in monopoly money, I forgot to switch it over to US dollars...oops. Its actually only US$360, which means its the same price as the ddr2.
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post #468 of 1072
10/6/04 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by jethro9001
***edit again***
That $540 is in monopoly money, I forgot to switch it over to US dollars...oops. Its actually only US$360, which means its the same price as the ddr2.
Not sure where you get your exchange rate, but right now CAD$540 is about US$428. The Canadian dollar isn't even with the US greenback yet, but it's hardly "monopoly money".
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post #469 of 1072
10/6/04 at 1:53pm
Not going by the exchange rate, going by the little button on the eurocom site where you switch from canada to US prices. If the difference is greater than the exchange rate, i wasn't aware of it
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post #470 of 1072
10/6/04 at 2:34pm
Ah. Fair enough. They musn't have updated their own exchange rate.
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post #471 of 1072
10/6/04 at 2:38pm
I wonder if the geopolitical situation potentially coming to a head between mainland China and Taiwan, around the Christmas timeframe, might be a factor? I'm sure the Clevo parent company higher ups are privy to more than we are.

Or less cospiratory, Eurocomm got their hand slapped when the Sagers of this world complained about them breaking the Clevo disclosure type rules.

Just some thoughts.
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post #472 of 1072
10/6/04 at 4:58pm
From what someone said earlier in this thread about an e-mail they got from eurocomm, any disclosure problems are probably related to the nvidia NDA not one from clevo. Not that clevo doesn't probably have their own NDAs, but the big guys from nvidia and ati are a lot more strict about theirs cuz they have so much more riding on not tipping their hands to the other guy.

I hate NDAs...I want this laptop and I want it NOW, dammit.
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post #473 of 1072
10/6/04 at 10:30pm
not now, RIGHT NOW!!!
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post #474 of 1072
10/6/04 at 10:45pm
Hi all,

Im also interested in purchasing one of the new sager 9860 models. I have a few concerns that hopefully some of you could answer.

#1 The current pentium 4 processors while greatly powerful are not going to be on par for the release of 64+ bit requirment of longhorn. Will the new sager lineup implement the new P4 64 bit processors when they become available?

#2 How exactly does the PCI based GPU allow for upgradability? Is it simply a plug n play hardware, as new GPU cards are released?

Although these concerns are long-term and irrelevant to current market trends, I feel because im investing a large amount of money towards this item Id like to make sure that im getting my moneys worth. Thank you all for your responses in advance.
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post #475 of 1072
10/6/04 at 11:37pm
First of all, Longhorn won't be out until 2007 at the earliest, and second, about the GPU's, they're by no means "plug n play", but while previously laptops have had their GPU's integrated into the motherboards, these will have cards that can be upgraded through the manufactuer, not just at best buy or something.
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post #476 of 1072
10/7/04 at 12:17am
Microsoft swears it will be out in 2006. As for 64 bit prescotts, the 9860s will have the lga775 socket, so they should be pin compatible with the new ones when they come out.
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post #477 of 1072
10/7/04 at 3:04am
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Originally Posted by gmshau
these will have cards that can be upgraded through the manufactuer, not just at best buy or something.
So we would have to send our laptops out to the manufacturer [sager/pc torque] in order to upgrade?
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post #478 of 1072
10/7/04 at 7:15am
It will depend on the manufacturer of the notebook. Acer has the first pci-e notebook out and I think the gpu is on the motherboard. The 9860 will have user upgradable graphics.
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post #479 of 1072
10/7/04 at 10:00am
Everything I've read regarding socket 775 says that it isn't something you casually swap out, unless you do it frequently. The pins are thinner, and are more easily subject to breaking. With traditional sockets, bending or breaking a pin sucks because you have to purchase a new CPU. But with 775 the pins are on the motherboard itself, so bending one would really blow on a notebook.

Regarding 64 bit, I think more than just the socket will need to support the addressing. If 64 bit is important to you in a notebook, then AMD is the way to go right now. Talking with MS SQL Server types, the 64 bit Intel Itaniums are magnitudes faster than regular 32 bit CPUs, for a variety of reasons. I could see those same factors applying to games also.
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post #480 of 1072
10/7/04 at 10:09am
The early info on the 915 chipset stated that it would be 64bit ready and the lga775 was design with the 64bit Intels in mind. As long as Intel makes the 64bit chip 915 compatible there shouldn't be a compatiblity problem. The comsumer 64bit Intels are supppose to be more like the AMD 64 and totally backward compatible with 32bits.
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