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[Tweak}--Radeon RBG tweak for insp. screens

post #1 of 58
Thread Starter 
Hello everyone,

Ever since I got my iXPS last week, I have enjoyed every single minutes of it...

In the past I was a pure desktop loyalist, but made the change to laptop-land due to my need for portability from home to school, mixed with a grain of my love for gadjets

On top of being a desktop loyalist, and that for almost 10 years, I am also a very active gamer and, to top it all off, a 2D artist. All these three aspects of my computer usage require me to have the following : A powerful processor, plenty of ram, a good GFX card and, very importantly, a god-like screen... In other words : A beast.

At first I looked at the sony for its gorgeous screen. Boy did I love that screen... But the price and lack of financing just scared me off.
And so I turned to Dell...



My iXPS (look at the sig ) is a monster in performance: with it's processor rivalising the entire MAC network at my under-financed school, it's GFX card that can handle anything thrown at it from 3D to hardcore gaming at maximum detail, and it's RAM deep enough to absord even the biggest photoshop project with impressive recall times ...
But it lacked something I was just dying to have, a kickass screen.


See, when I received my iXPS, I for one was very happy, the thing looked great and would satisfy my need for portability and gadjets for a long time to come indeed. But my first visit into the XP main theme, which I half-sarcasticly call teletubies-valley, lacked the pure green and blue shades of its good old desktop predecessor. I had been fed with pure Sony desktop LCD goodness for almost 2 years... Having flashbacks of my good old colorful days, The iXPS suddenly felt less attractive.



After a few hours of roaming around in my new-found powerhouse's settings and hardware, I came across the display panel and the serveral ATI tabs there. My eyes crossed the "color" tab with much joy, picturing already how I could tweak my monitor to have a much-improved image quality in every ways possible.
This tab became a life-saver, and inside I came up with a very efficient tweak for my own needs, with much satisfaction. :



Note: This tweak is based on my own tastes for color and how contrast should be on my computer. This tweak is also very simple and explained in a way so everyone could do it, even your next door monkey.

Ok, time to drop the romanesque approach, cut to the chase, and explain the tweak





Before/After image... Pretty encouraging ! (this is an approximate, but pretty accurate)

First of all , open your display panel... The same panel where one would set his screen saver, desktop background and windows Theme... Now click on the "settings" tab, where you would usualy go to change the resolution of the screen.



Look down and find the "advanced" tab.



There you will see several other tabs waiting for you, most having the "ATI" icon next to them. The one we are looking for to carry this tweak to sucess is the "color" tab.




The colors tab.


What you see on your screen should be a color curve relative to your desktop environement that reflects all colors combined (those colors are what we call the RGB. Those three colors (red green and blue) are mixed together to create other colors as well as black and white).


On the default settings, those curves give a pretty low contrast view for a laptop screen, since laptop screens are already low contrast. To be exact, they usualy have low color saturation and contrast, with a slight color dominance, be it from the blue or red (rarely the green).

What we are gonna do here is counter-balance these built-in settings, with a hardward compensation.


The dell iXPS screen I received had a color dominance in the red tones, so the tweak is based upon correcting that as well. If you see blue, for example, is dominant, then inverse the settings for the red and blue colors



What we will do now click on the desktop profile (you should already be in it by default) and uncheck the "all colors" checkbox. Now, going back and forth between the three RBG colors, you can see the settings are all the same.

Now lets tweak the settings, those will counter-balance the effects effectively.

__________________________________
Red
Gamma --------- 0.5
Brightness ------ 0
Contrast -------- 154


Green
Gamma --------- 0.5
Brightness ------ 7
Contrast -------- 154



Blue
Gamma --------- 0.5
Brightness ------ 5
Contrast -------- 169
___________________________________
Note: Make sure you press apply. Else it wont save


You will see the difference is somewhat radical. You might find it a bit too bright, or contrasted at first, give it time... Your eye needs to adapt to it, then you wont be able to go back



Do the same with the 3D profile. You will notice it does not have the option to tick "all colors" off. Thats ok, what it means is that the color that is most dominent cannot be fixed but its not that much of a problem since it is by far the least noticable factors of the 3.
Enter the following settings. :




____________________________
Gamma --------- 0.5
Brightness ------ 2
Contrast -------- 160
____________________________
make sure you save the customised settings under a name, like "Generic Profile". This will be useful later on...


Now that our colors have been set, there is one thing left to set : Hotkeys ...

As minor as this sound, its actualy mandatory for the settings to appear in your 3D games.
You see, the radeon has a nasty habit of not applying the settings when a 3D application goes full screen and reverts back to default. This is where the hotkeys come in, to remind the card the profile has been altered.



The hotkeys screen.


When you enter a game, the settings revert to default, as long as you do not touch the brightness and contrast again, and the only way to do that in a full-screen game, is to set hotkeys. (if you alt-tab and tweak, the moment you will restore the game back to fullscreen, the colors will go back to default as well.)

I personaly have set some for the contrast - brightness - gamma controls in case I find a game too dark or too light. If that where to be the case I could tweak it on the fly
That is my preferences, but you can keep it to only set "load current profile" as a macro... It will work fine.

MAKE SURE YOU UNCHECK "DISABLE HOTKEYS", checked-in by default !

The next time you load a full-screen 3D game, just hit your "Load current profile" hotkey in-game, and voila

There we go, all set !

Enjoy your new brighter, true black-white, contrasted laptop screen


note: the introduction story is slightly exagerated to add some interest... Oh and there might be typos, but I'm slightly too lazy to re-read all this over again
- Kierrato
post #2 of 58
Interesting, but...odd...too dark...can't tell the difference between dark green, grey, dark blue, and black on my desktop...reverted back...do sony monitors really look like that?
post #3 of 58
Thread Starter 
They do not look as you described, thats certain

This tweak gives whats in the before/after image for me.

Make sure your laptop brightness is at max (hold function key and press keypad up, until its maxed out )

If the settings do not match up for your screen, I invite you to tweak with them and give out numbers that work best for you
post #4 of 58
I turned gamma up to .7 and it looks much nicer!
post #5 of 58
Hey, Kierrato what brand is your LCD, becuase I did this on my Toshiba screen (see sig) and it looks absolutly stunning!!! Thanks I never knew my LCD could look so good
post #6 of 58
Thread Starter 
I currently am on a toshiba as well.

Personaly I think those settings give a very good improvement. They are very close to my desktop LCD, extremely sharp and well-contrasted
post #7 of 58
Too vibrant, how can i reduce that just a little bit?
post #8 of 58
Thread Starter 
try :
__________________________________
Red
Gamma --------- 0.55
Brightness ------ 5
Contrast -------- 124


Green
Gamma --------- 0.55
Brightness ------ 12
Contrast -------- 124



Blue
Gamma --------- 0.55
Brightness ------ 10
Contrast -------- 139
___________________________________


Full screen 3d:
____________________________
Gamma --------- 0.55
Brightness ------ 7
Contrast -------- 130
____________________________

Hope this helps
post #9 of 58
I got a Samsung screen and I tried your settings and I must say they are BRIGHT hehe they hurt the eyes so I just use my default, kewl tweak tho
post #10 of 58
On any LCD screen that you can clearly see a 254 254 254 white line on a 255 255 255 white backround and at the same time without tweaking any color settings see a 1 1 1 black on a 0 0 0 black backround that sceen is at least a 500:1 contrast ratio.

So far the only LCD screen that I have seen that can do that is the Sony notebook A190 17" 1920x1200 ultra bright screen. That includes evey desktop LCD screen Ive ever checked also.

Daley
post #11 of 58
I'm still getting problems discerning between shades of white, do you have a suggestion on what I could do? So far I love the vibrancy of my screen. Some forums I go to are done up in shades of white and those pages look like one big white blur.
Thanks again!
P
post #12 of 58
Good post! I have not re-installed my machine twice, and that was the first panel I went to after installing the video drivers....

But remember colour is a personal, very personal thing...Most of our eyes aren't perfect....

I will try your settings out though....

One of the general problems I find, is calibrating it then with ones colour (photo) printer as well. It is not an easy taks, but well worth it for stunning results...My photo printer is an 8-ink HP 7960 and it is well worth calibrating with the screen...
post #13 of 58
interesting, wonder how this will look in a game. I'll have to crank up CounterStrike later to see. I always hated the dark areas, so I usually jacked my gamma up to 1.3 or 1.4 to lighten up the corners that are normally so dark
post #14 of 58
alright, first I'm not even sure which display I have, where's the instruction on how to do that again?

second, shouldn't there be some kind of test pattern to look at in order to tell how the balance is? what seems odd to me right this moment is the menu bar sections of Firefox. that area seems too washed out.

So I've tried turning it down a little, but i have no idea if my colors are balanced or not, or what I should judge the settings against.
post #15 of 58
Alright, I have test you settings. My WUXGA screen might be different, but I found I was loosing too much definition. A good test is the 'My documents' folder. The grey (or blue or whatever bit depending on your theme...) bit was totally white and not visible. In addition the separators on my toolbar totally disappeared...Bit too much for my screen....
I found that I have better definition with the following settings....

Gamma: 1.00
Brightness: -30
Contrast: 95

That is with the BIOS brightness on full and Catalyst 4.8
post #16 of 58
Thread Starter 
I encourage anyone to find numbers they feel comfortable with.

As for a good way to evaluate colors, I have found the XP backgrounds to be good for the task, one with high color contasts.

I would sugest Teletubies-valley for green/blue evaluation, the desert wallpaper for the blue/red evalution, and the tulips shot for an overall

it also helps alot if you have an image you know very well color and contrast-wise, and apply the tweak from there

For example, I personaly used familiar webpages of which I remembered the colors pretty well.
post #17 of 58
umm....when i click on 'advanced' in the display properties i get a completely different screen...
i get the tabs:
General, Adapter, Monitor, Troubleshoot, Color management

None of these look anything like what you have, not even the color management tab. And None of the tabs have the ATi Logo!

Am i retarded? or is my computer retarded? I've got the 9700 128mb, thats certain....
post #18 of 58
you don't have the ATI control panel installed. either reinstall the full set of drivers from dell, or better yet, just install the Omega drivers, then you'll have the tabs in question
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post #20 of 58
....mmm....ha.....don't i feel sheepish.....
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