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post #1 of 32
Thread Starter 
OK, been reading the forums a bit, so I guess I'll throw my question out now...

I've budgetted somewhere between $2,500 to $3,000 USD (including tax/shipping) with a maximum of $3,500 USD (about how much I spent on my current desktop - dual LCDs will push it up there).

So this is probably a question that gets asked almost every freakin' day, so I'll just add to the chaos.

Given my budget, should I buy now, or later? And before somebody gives the answer of always wait until you actually need a laptop, that's not the answer I'm looking for.

I'm hoping for an answer that will take into account of the technological changes coming up in the near future.

So. Here are my requirements.

I'm looking for a portable laptop, something around the 7 lb or less range, with either a 14 or 15 inch display. It'll probably be used for development, some game playing (RTS, mainly, so mid-level to high 3D graphics required), DVD playing, diagnostics (for troubleshooting other machines) and the general crap of surfing, word processing, spreadsheeting, e-mail, etc, etc.

Right now, I'm looking at the Sager 3790. It seems to have a good balance of size and power - the only thing is the fact that I'll have to get the 12-cell, which makes it heavier, though not by much.

So what does everybody think? Buy now, or buy later?

(Let the bashing begin. )
post #2 of 32
Buy now. You can't always keep up with technologies. You can wait, but why the time you got what you wanted, something new will come out. I have the 3790, and it's incredible.

The 12 cell is great. I'll get that over the 6 cell anytime.
post #3 of 32
I don't think anything special will be coming out in the light category soon.

I would recomend the ACER ferrari and some upgrades in RAM and HD especially seeing you'e budget.

I would also look at a 2.0 GHZ PM notebook also, some where a little while back someone said price cuts were coming in october of near 33% for the 2.0 GHZ iirc.
post #4 of 32
You can get what you're after for the lower end of your budget - around $2K would get you the 3790. I'd also suggest the Asus M6N not just because I have one, but also because it is lighter than the 3790, has a longer battery life, and can also take an internal second battery or second hard drive.

Cheers

Steve
post #5 of 32
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the advice.

Yes, I know $3,000 is more than necessary for the category. I tend to pad my budget by a few hundred dollars just in case there are little surprises (like I just found out about the NuShield, Shinza sleeves, backpacks, etc, etc) - also, I need to buy software (even though I get good discounts).

As for the M6N - I was looking at that, but I wanted the higher resolution of the 3790's WUXGA since developement work requires a lot of screen real estate. I'm currently running 2 x 1280 x 1024 at home right now, and it's very, very nice for development.

And I'll definitely keep a look at the prices for the 2.0's - thanks for the reminder. It'd be nice to compile a couple hundred megabytes of source code with a speedy 2.0.

So I assume based on popular opinions, there aren't going to be any major changes from now until Christmas in the lightweight world?

If so, I'll just watch the price and buy when it's at a good price point.

Again, thanks for all the advice, keep 'em coming!
post #6 of 32
Thinkpad T42p
post #7 of 32
Thread Starter 
Ouch, a little too expensive. It's at $2,700 for something that would cost less than $2,200 comparably equipped on the 3790 (WUXGA resolution).

Thanks for the suggestion though.
post #8 of 32
If you're worried about compilation times, check this out:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...px?i=2129&p=11

Athlon 64 3000+ performs as well as P4 2.0Ghz for a much much smaller price. Pentium 4 lags far behind.

I would recomment Athlon 64 for Visual Studio development for best performance.
post #9 of 32
Thread Starter 
True, but then it violates one of the other requirements - portability and weight.

Most of the Athlon 64 laptops I've seen are DTRs, and they're not really that portable or light.
post #10 of 32
Acer ferrari is only 6.6lbs.
post #11 of 32
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Originally Posted by Bobdog4
Acer ferrari is only 6.6lbs.
yeah, and my centrino is also 6.6lbs.

dani: thats a pm at 2.0 ghz, not a p4. small typo.
post #12 of 32
Well, I am going to give the answer you aren't looking for - buy when you actually need it. People in this forum and many others tend to speculate if they tell you something like "there is nothing new coming out in the next several months/year" or the other way around. Unless they are part of the developement/management team at Asus, Sony, etc. there is no way they can tell you that for sure.
So, again, revise the subject of your search.
post #13 of 32
When I bought my current laptop 2 years ago, I spent at least 6 months shopping around. I had absolutely no preference in brand, so all I looked at were the details. I wanted a gaming laptop that didn't break the bank. In the end, what made me choose Dell over the rest, (price of most was within 10%), was their warranty. The accidental damage coverage was the thing that did it for me. I travel far and often. The idea that I could get this thing fixed if I dropped it off the roof of a cab was the clincher. Except for a hard drive that went to peripheral heaven, (it took some doing but I got the HD shipped to Australia), all has been well. This poor beast played Call of Duty like a champ so I can wait for PCI-E to play Far Cry, Half Life II, and Doom III,(unless I can get out tech in Yemen to spring for an x800xt for our shop system). Everyone has their own set of criteria. All things being equal, I like the security blanket of the warrentee to compensate for me being a klutz.....and sometimes, just unlucky. Perhaps not relevant, but there's no accounting for timing. Thank you.
post #14 of 32
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by zlatanov
Well, I am going to give the answer you aren't looking for - buy when you actually need it. People in this forum and many others tend to speculate if they tell you something like "there is nothing new coming out in the next several months/year" or the other way around. Unless they are part of the developement/management team at Asus, Sony, etc. there is no way they can tell you that for sure.
So, again, revise the subject of your search.
Fair enough.

My "problem" with going with that is I'm in this nice little "predicament".

Assuming I need a laptop (which I still haven't completely decided is true), then I'll buy one in the relatively immediate future. However, if the opposite is true, then that money I've budgetted will get diverted to the general slush fund (yes, I've been watching the government channels too much) and be spent on other things.

Now based on potential gains in productivity, I should have bought the laptop months ago. However, it's unclear how much productivity I really would gain, since I have 4 machines, all in the P4 2.6 HT or higher range, at work, and a similar machine at home. Do I really need another machine for development work?

That's why I posed that little restriction on the question - to remove some variables, and assume I will buy a laptop. Hopefully, this will help in making a quicker decision.

(And in case anybody actually cares, the other things on my list to buy: Lego Star Wars Imperial Star Destroyer + Star Wars Corellian Blockade Runner - approximately $520 USD, Wacom Intuos 2 9 x 12 - approximately $375, Clear bra for the car - approximately $1,000, a week's vacation in San Francisco - approximately $1,500 to $2,000.)
post #15 of 32
I know of what you speak. I love the fact that I can take my compter with me wherever I go, (even if it is a heavy pig).

It sounds like you have access to a lot of pretty decent machines. I was going to bring up the need thing, but instead, how about the "need right now", thing? I've only started looking for a new one but the only big news, (according to my techies), is PCI Express.

It's not only a video interface, but it'll be used for a lot of other stuff as well....but mostly for video. Most other things are pretty happy with firewire or usb 2.0. I assume it'll go into the desktop replacements first. If you already have a gaming capable machine at home and you don't play games when you move around, why worry about PCI-E? It seems an ATI 9700/9800 or similar Nvidia product will play anything out right now...just at smaller resolutions.

Just think carefully about, not only, what you will be doing with the laptop now, but what you might want it to do for you in the next year or two. It's a lot of cash to lay down if you're going to be kicking yourself because it's missing something in a month or two. After that, just pick your favorite brand that'll do the job for the best price.

Good luck.
post #16 of 32
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Originally Posted by JoeCanuck
I know of what you speak. I love the fact that I can take my compter with me wherever I go, (even if it is a heavy pig).

It sounds like you have access to a lot of pretty decent machines. I was going to bring up the need thing, but instead, how about the "need right now", thing? I've only started looking for a new one but the only big news, (according to my techies), is PCI Express.

It's not only a video interface, but it'll be used for a lot of other stuff as well....but mostly for video. Most other things are pretty happy with firewire or usb 2.0. I assume it'll go into the desktop replacements first. If you already have a gaming capable machine at home and you don't play games when you move around, why worry about PCI-E? It seems an ATI 9700/9800 or similar Nvidia product will play anything out right now...just at smaller resolutions.

Just think carefully about, not only, what you will be doing with the laptop now, but what you might want it to do for you in the next year or two. It's a lot of cash to lay down if you're going to be kicking yourself because it's missing something in a month or two. After that, just pick your favorite brand that'll do the job for the best price.

Good luck.
however, for many people, they dont NEED a laptop, they WANT one. So the argument, "buy one when you need is" is irrelevant.
post #17 of 32
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nark
however, for many people, they dont NEED a laptop, they WANT one. So the argument, "buy one when you need is" is irrelevant.
Quite true. Given the opinions of most of the people I know, a laptop is more of a "nice-to-have" than a necessity.

Indeed, some people consider having a laptop a curse - more so than having a cell phone. With a cell phone, they don't expect you to update specs or fix build breaks.

But for the sake of this thread, assume I need a laptop - but just a matter of timing.

(As I mentioned in my initial post, I do quite a bit of troubleshooting/tech supporting. It hurts a lot when I don't have a functional PC to do some initial research on.

Also, when I bunk with other people, I generally don't like using other people's PCs - for fear of me accidentally "tweaking" it and breaking something.)
post #18 of 32
I have to disagree.....if I want something bad enough, it becomes, de facto, need.....that's good enough for me. I would have somehow struggled on with my life if I never bought it, but I like it, so there.

What I was speaking of, is future need. That's why the, "need right now", comment. It all depends on what it's for. If you're not going to want to play Half Life V with it, why wait? If you think you may want to, at least, leave the option open to do it, make do until more information comes out. Acer already has a PCI-E notebook out, (granted, bigger than you want), but the wait might not be that long to find one you wants, for the right price, or it might be. There's more news coming out every day....but it's brand new stuff....are the bugs out..?

If waiting is not an option, I'm sure you'll be pleased with something available now. I've found too many times that i can never keep up with new improvements. But knowing what you do now about other milestone improvements, what would your recommendation to one of you customers be if the next new thing, just coming out, was pci, agp, P-II, usb, sdram or acive matrix screens? My first computer was a P-1 when I could have waited a month or so for a P-II. I should have waited. My point is basically that PCI-E is going to start another whole new thing....and not just with video. Extremely fast gpu's are coming out at the same time as a format that allows for the easy user upgrade of video cards. That's worth a little wait to me....just for the potential alone. On the other hand, I wouldn't wait for my preferred AMD chip to come out in PCI-E. I'd live with Big Blue, no problem.

I've had this 8200 for over 2 years and farcry is the first game to totally bring it to it's knees. I'm glad I went as high up as I could at the time. That's a pretty good lifespan and there are tons of good games my machine will still play. For everything else, it's a real trooper....and will be for some time to come.

For tweeking, your sager option would be fabulous and, odds are, you'll get a couple of years of playing, (if you got bored with all that work, work work), out of it as well. (just in case the tweekee wants a bedtime lan party).

Useful life is one thing I definitely look at when dropping that kind of cash....on anything. I hate shopping for something I really, really want when there are so many options. I can only express my opinions and wish you the best of luck.

Ps.....an irrelevant is a large mammal with a trunk.
post #19 of 32
Ok....just one more thing....to add further options to your decision. You can always go to an SFF desktop. There are some very good units out there, portable, you can get one right now and it's upgradeable. I was very, very close to buying a Biostar instead of waiting a while to see what's up in laptop world. Put an x800xt in it and an Athlon64+, and it'll eat anything you can throw at it for years to come.
post #20 of 32
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Originally Posted by Revenent
Clear bra for the car - approximately $1,000, a week's vacation in San Francisco - approximately $1,500 to $2,000.)
Off Topic....
I can help you out with both of these. I've got a time share that I resverve in San Francisco (I live in the SF Bay Area) and then rent it out to tourists wishing to visit.

There's also a guy I know who sells and installs Xpel /3M clear bra in the SF Bay Area. He did my 530i not too long ago.

PM me if you are interested.
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