Dell vs. Sager - Page 2

I couldn't resist this one. Granted the XPS/9100 has the top 9800 gpu... and the only strong advantage Dell has at the moment. It is short lived with Sagers 9860 coming out. Now for me Bang for my buck is power for my buck. If I wanted cheap.. i'd buy Emachine which is a very good unit also. I want power and the more power it has the happier I am. So if I can save 700 bucks but get less bang for my buck..then i'll spend the extra 700... if you need comparisons, wait til Sager/voodoo/Falcon NW all release the same machine and the Sager is a good 1000 cheaper.. now were talking bang for buck. 8600/3790 are not the same league of machine.

nor can I

Nor can I resist getting in on this conversation.....

Here is the deal, I am a tech (Not a long time tech but none the less I've delt with Dell)

OK, after doing my homework being as I sell computers, buy computers and fix them all the time the fact is that you get what you pay for and if you want a real comparison and you want to know if Sager has ever been put in a magazine try this on for size.

The Sager 9860 is infact made by the same company that AW buys their AW Area-51m 7700s from and as is the Voodoo m:790.

Sager technicaly though not officially got reconition here
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1739894,00.asp
and here
http://www.g4techtv.com/screensavers...ming_Rigs.html

and many other places on the web were people rave about them

Now one of the only reasons that Dell gets as much attention as they do is because they spend millions in advertising. They are on over 60% of the web pages you see, on TV and billboards. They are everywhere because what sells better to the general public then saying, "We sell for less" when in actuality they don't, but you (The general public) don't know better being "Dell" is pounding your brain with all the adds.

The XPS for instance starts at 1,919 where as the Sager starts at 2595 from sagernotebook.com

Now you're saying, "yea, but look at the price difference!". Well let's look deeper......

The Dell......
The Dell's specs start with.......
P4 3.4
XPHome
512MB PC3200 SO-DIMM
128MB Radeon 9700
24X Cobmo Drive
60 Gig 5400RPM HD
15.4-inch Wide-Aspect WUXGA display
Bullet12-cell "Smart" Lithium Ion battery
BulletIntegrated 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet


OK??? now the Sager being it is the same machine as AW and Voodoo but for a little less....

The Sager.....
P4 3.0
17.0" Wide Viewing Angles WSXGA+
512 MB PC4200 DDR2 (533MHz) memory
60.0 GB (7200rpm) Ultra DMA Hard Drives
8X DVD / 24X10X24 CD-RW Combo
12 Cell Smart Li-ION Battery
256MB DDR3 ATI Mobility Radeon X800
Lifetime Free Technical Support

OK, now, lets try to bring the XPS up to the Sager's base price by adding on what the Sager already has though keep in mind the Sager is using the new PCI Express chipset and not the 865 chipset (if that means athything to you)

Dell's bottorm processor is the 3.4 but they won't give you anything better then the 256MB Radeon 9800 vid card.

2,238 and all I did was add the 256MB 9800 Video Card and the 60GB 7200RPM HD cause they don't offer anything else

Now you might be thinking that with the 3.4 you'll go faster???

How much faster you going to go with a 3.4 CPU on a Radeon 9800 Video card then a 3.0 CPU with a Radeo X800 video card running on a PCI Express board running DDR2????.

You've got about twice the bandwith on the sager then you do the Dell!!!
Not to mention the 2nd HD and CD ROM that you can get with the Sager.

Bottom line, add 357 bucks and you'll blow that piecer out of the water!!!!

On top of that you really think Dell is going to give you superior support? think again buddy!!!

I just recently worked on a Dell that was bought July 17th of 2004 and had to have the OS reloaded due to a massive virus infection.
The customer did not have their restore disks so I called dell for them.. You know what they said??????????

"I'm sorry sir, this model has been discontinued and we no longer support the software for this device"

Yea, sad. Sad because the customer bought a 3 year warrantee on the thing and couldn't even order so much as the restore disks. Compaq atleaste keeps them on file.
But don't get me wrong, dell isn't impossible, if you tell that Indian to let you talk to an american and after about 3 hours on the phone, you'll get your restore disks when they come in the mail.

So tell me again why Dell is so great cause as far as I am conserned Wal-Mart and Dell are holding hands all the way taking people like you for suckers and walking home with big wads in their pockets cause they're selling the flimsiest peices of junk I've ever seen

BTW, if you ever get a desktop, don't try to change out the MB, the parts in dells are mostly propriatary.

So Sager, Alienware and Voodoo all the way baby, well tell they get to big for their own britches anyways....

PS, As to the onsite warrantee from Dell, expect the replacement part in the mail so you, being onsite can install it for them

I'm a big fan of Dell's Completely Care Warranty... but i see that discountlaptops or whatever also have Accidental Damage warranty, and for similar price to Dell! So now i definitely see no reasons to get Dell.

The x800 uses GDDR3.
You also need to compare 15" models to 15" models and the same for 17". Screen size is a subjective thing.

Also that 15" Dell is alot lighter than a 9860. Those computers are also different generations of releases. You are comparing this years model to last years Dell, of course the new Sager will be better.

Also Sager has been in zines and such.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/consume..._guide-18.html
http://www6.tomshardware.com/mobile/...e_6800-01.html
http://www6.tomshardware.com/mobile/...mayhem-03.html
http://www6.tomshardware.com/mobile/20041108/index.html

Sager by far. First, they have wonderful customer service. Dell does not. Dell also uses propietary parts which should be a red flag. Basically, that means that only Dell parts can be used on a Dell computer so they can jack the prices up. A friend had a power supply go bad on his Dell so he went to the store and bought one for like $25. However, Dell had totally inversed the hook-ups on the computer so only the Dell power supplies would work. He called Dell, and they were going to charge him over $200 for a $20 power supply. Since he was out-of-warranty, he opted for a new computer...obviously not a Dell. Dell charges an arm and a leg for replacement parts once you're out-of-warranty because ONLY Dell parts work. Bad customer services all around. And the Dell screens on the laptops suck big time if your looking at lappies. Go for Sager.

Dell uses no more proprietary parts than Sager. All laptops use proprietary parts other than the cpu, memory, harddrive and wireless card. You can't use a $25 power supply on Dell or a Sager or you'll harm the system or burn out the power supply quickly. A power supply from Dell is usually around $60.

Yeah, the more I read about Dell and the bad customer support, I think I'm going to buy Sager. I have been a loyal Dell customer for about 8 or so years, desktops only. I have had good luck with all the Dell systems I have purchased over the years. My latest desktop I'm using to type this message is a Dell. I had one problem with this machine the second week I had it. The video card was bad. Dell sent someone to my home, replaced it with no problem, two days later. This was a little over a year ago. My brother inlaw just got a Dell desktop, the hard drive failed. He had a very bad time with the support. Finally after a little over a month, he got a new drive. I think Dell has changed over the years now. It was Dells strongest selling point a few years back, when the support was the best in the business. Now its just big business! I think eventually, this will hurt Dell. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. I have made my decision. I'm going with Sager! This will be my first notebook pc. I have 3 grand to burn on a system. I am waiting for the latest, greatest Sager!!

Thank you for your support!!!
PS-DUDE, i'm not getting a Dell!!

I alllllmost got a DELL as well simply because I had delt with them in the past and generally didn't have such a bad time dealing with them. The more and more I read reviews and lurk around this forum, I'm 99% SAGER right now. The 1% will come when I see the benches for the new 6800GO DDR3, if they aren't good enough, X800 here I come.

And as far as warranty's are concerned, I've looked at PCTORQUE's and DISCOUNT LAPTOPS's and they have screen protection and DL has accidental. Looks like PCT is less expensive so that's probably where I'm goin'.

I will probably be going Dell but that is because I can get the laptop cheaper from there than I can a Sager. Dell should be releasing a Sonoma based laptop soon which is what I am looking for.

Dell uses almost all propietary parts. And maybe it wasn't the power supply that he had to replace. It was something along those lines...I can't really remember. Anyone, he could get a fine one for loke $25-30, and Dell was going to charge over $200 for the exact same product only one was made for Dell. And this guy was really into computers so I'm sure he'd know if something would harm the system(and thus avoid that product). Anyway, Dell highly over-charges for any part you have to buy out-of-warranty, and you have to buy it through Dell.

As opposed to Alienware which highly over charges you at the start with the notebook or computer in the first place. LOL

"maybe it wasn't the power supply that he had to replace" "It was something along those lines" "I can't really remember" That's a whole lot of vague conjecture. OK, so you don't like Dell. I got no problem with that, but let's stick with the facts. Please list the notebook parts that Dell uses that are proprietary, that Sager or Alienware or other Clevo re-brander uses that are "generic" laptop parts.

If you can't remember what part cost $200 (which is in itself doubtful), you really should consider not spreading the word around that Dell overcharges for a power supply. I don't think anyone paid a red cent for their power supplies that caught on fire.
In any case, if you don't have your facts straight, it's not fair to impart your bias to other people who don't know what they're dealing with. Telling them Dell has poor customer service at times is okay; telling someone that "They charge $200 for a power supply! Oh wait, maybe it wasn't the power supply...") is not.

Dell does overcharge at times, but nothing of their stuff these days are proprietary... some people claim on here that their powersupplies are, and if they are, i haven't seen one in the last couple of years that are. But the days of needing a special rail for the CDRom that cost $50 in itself are long gone.

It may not be Dells fault that the customer service is bad these days. It has become the largest pc sales giant in the country, maybe the world perhaps. I could not imagine the resources it would take to keep up with the problems that people have with their pc's. I think Dell could do a better job than what they are doing now, but thats just my opinion. Dell probably has to outsource the tech support just to keep up with the demand. Remember, Dell started that company from his apartment long ago, and now look at how huge his company has become. Just something to think about. But, I'm still going to buy a Sager!

Here we go. My Bn. has 35 dell laptops. we have lost 3 to MB's cost to replace $843 each. 4 lcds price each $560. 1 glide pad $70. 2 Key boards $125. Thank god the Corps was paying i would of flipped a lid if dell had tried to charge me those prices. And these arn't brand new top of the line there old 1ghz. i can almost buy a new computer for $843. Dell Sux. But i will say again panisonic toughbooks ROCK. more laptops need touch screens.

If Dell is not proprietary then why would i need to order a CERTAIN floppy drive for a dell computer and spend $30 more then one i can buy elsewhere just because the case will only use Dell parts? Or that only a DELL motherboard will fit into their case. This was on a 2 month old Dell system also.

Okay, I cannot remember the EXACT part the guy had to replace. I know for a fact that there was around a $200 difference for the exact same product...only one was made specifically for Dell so that one HAD to be used. This was a man who works for the John Hopkins University Cardiology department. When they realized how much it was going to cost them to have their computers fixed in the future(which were all Dell at the time), they decided not to purchase Dell anymore. Dell lost a nice-sized business account because they use a huge number of propietary parts that they tend to overcharge for.

And I don't hate Dell as someone stated. I actually considered buying a Dell computer for myself, and I had my mom buy a Dell laptop when she was computer shopping. However, Dell's use of a large number of propietary parts and poor customer service as of late made me go with a different manufacturer for myself.

OK, as a result of this thread, it has been determined which notebook is better.

Drum roll please.....

Opening envelope: Yeah, Dell is the winner!!!!!!

Ha ha, just kidding. I call it a draw, as in draw your own conclusion.

It's a good post, sonicwind. I concur.