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post #21 of 78
It would be nice to use server for rendering, but I will have to use my laptop for that too. And lots of extra hard drives for storage.
post #22 of 78
Hey sheep, about time you made it here

you know the general rule. Nvidia only. so wait for the 256 card from sager with the 9860. if you do buy ati..i WILL hit you. (I assume you have been reading the XSI mailouts :P)

Amd64 wont mean squat for ages, you have to get a 64bit version of MR. (does exist) XSI / Maya etc wont be 64bit for sometime.
post #23 of 78
Thread Starter 
hey professo!

Yea i am going to wait I think , but the itch to buy the system now is too strong.

I dont know if its a no-no here , but are there any alternatives to sager for the same price range , but with a nvidia card?

if its against the forum rules to discuss other brands here my apologies.
post #24 of 78
amd 64 has quite some power to it. just because the 64 isn't yet, it will be soon. It handles 32 bit as well as or better than the p4. so I wouldn't knock it for that. yeah the acer 1710 is an alternative.
post #25 of 78
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Originally Posted by proffesso
Hey sheep, about time you made it here

you know the general rule. Nvidia only. so wait for the 256 card from sager with the 9860. if you do buy ati..i WILL hit you. (I assume you have been reading the XSI mailouts :P)

Amd64 wont mean squat for ages, you have to get a 64bit version of MR. (does exist) XSI / Maya etc wont be 64bit for sometime.
From what I understand, the boosts provided by 64-bit drivers, etc, combined with the Athlon 64's ability to simultaneously act as a 32-bit and 64-bit chip means that there's a 10-30% improvement seen over the already excellent scores of the Athlon 64 on 32-bit applications in a 64-bit environment. I'm not a hugely technically knowledgeable person, of course, so please just politely correct me if I'm entirely wrong.

Windows 64-bit edition is currently available in beta form, again if memory serves, and it's not far away from retail launch. 32-bit computing is on its way out.

However, for immediate results now with media applications, a Pentium 4 chip may be what you desire. From what I understand (again, the same disclaimer), it has some huge optimizations for media applications, so a P4 chip should run them much faster than the equivalent A64 chip. Of course, the 64-bit environment, and, in particular, 64-bit programs will change this, and I'm guessing that media programs (and other extremely expensive high-end programs) will be taking full advantage of 64-bit environments soon (especially since Apple has also moved to 64-bit processing).

Note:All facts represented above are subject to being completely and unequivocally false.
post #26 of 78
Sheep, yep, just force yourself to wait, its going to be well worth it.

64bit is the way everything is headed, just dont think its a showstopper for you just yet.

what i'd love to see on a laptop is a u320 vhd scsi connector, laptops are severly limited with hdd's at the moment. (do you do much comping?)
post #27 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by proffesso
64bit is the way everything is headed, just dont think its a showstopper for you just yet.
No, not a show stopper...But it's definitely got good potential, and the odds of it seeing some serious utilization in the next two years (about the amount of time the laptop should spend in the "passably high" road) are fairly good. In particular, the speed increases associated with XP64 and A64 chips should be enough to compensate for the few increases the Pentium 4 has over it, especially considering the increased battery life of the DTR A64 models.

Besides, which sounds cooler? "My laptop has a Pentium 4 Extreme Edition running at 3.4 GHz" or "My laptop has a Low Power Athlon 64 FX-53." I rest my fraudulent case.
post #28 of 78
buy hardware for software, not the other way around.

when I see softimage say (even unofficially) XSI runs best on AMD...then i'll jump.
post #29 of 78
Thread Starter 
regarding softimage and AMD , i had zero problems running XSI (since version 3.0) on amd processors. Or any other software too for that matter.

I am sure the AMD 64 will handle things just fine , its the ATI that worries me.
post #30 of 78
yeah, it may well run just fine on AMD now, but since the early days (SI3D - XSI) amd's were dogs of chips. so im still just a tad biased
post #31 of 78
Thread Starter 
What do you guys think of this:

I saw a HP pavillion at comp usa with this specs:

AMD 64 processor
1024mb ddr ram
120gb HD
nvidia quadro fx 5700 go 128mb
15" screen (couldnt check the res cause i was in a rush)
price $1690


I never used a laptop before so dunno if the HP ones are good or bad. one downside to this is the screen size , which actually looked ok sizewise but 17" would be much better.
post #32 of 78
The 17'' widescreen is the way to go for animating, or at least the 15.4 widescreen. viewport and graph-editor side by side (the way I usually work when animating) feels so much more comfortable with the widescreen shape.
post #33 of 78
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Originally Posted by SheepFactory
regarding overlays , I thought Maya stopped being dependant on HW overlays since version 5. Only workstation cards have hw overlay function as far as I know. Those problems must be because of the crappy ATI open gl drivers.
Alias claimed they fixed overlay problems, but i still had my 9700 when i installed 6 and it still had the ghosting problem. And also, they only said they fixed the stability problems with cards that don't have overlay support, the performance difference is still pretty major. That was one of the great things about softquadro(dont know if he has it for the fx cards yet), all nvidia cards have the ability to do hw overlay support, its just turned off in the drivers of the consumer cards. So with softquadro, all nvidia cards do hw overlay support.
post #34 of 78
Thread Starter 
I played with a friends Dell precision m60 today and it blew me away. his was a centrino 1.7 with 512mb ram and quadro 600 in it , and it launches maya faster than my dual processor boxx workstation. I think the decision is made , moving to the dell forums now

thank you guys for all the help!
Ali
post #35 of 78
sheep, the M60 is a great machine, you can get the fx1000go for it too.
im staying away only due to the 15.4", otherwise i'd be right there with you

(note, the Alias demo people use M60 laptops with an fx700go)
post #36 of 78
whats up guys, the stuff you are doing sounds pretty interesting. i'm taking a course for my masters, here is the website

http://www.csee.umbc.edu/~olano/435/


how much of what you guys do is part of what i'm learning?
post #37 of 78
Wow your learning it totally differently from me. I am learning it through a more visual artistic approach. Computers aren't the main focus, but that's where I'm headed anyway. Although my computer class seems to be more about learning the software than art though. But that hasn't stopped me from making weird ideas.
post #38 of 78
heh, consider yourselves lucky, ive been doing this before 3d schools were around. i would have loved to have gone to collage or the likes for this
post #39 of 78
yea, we're doing more scientific stuff than artistic. i'm doing my masters in computer science with a focus on computer graphics (i'm planning on doing so).


our last project was to create a pseudo-random landscape using noise functions. our current project is to drive through the landscape
post #40 of 78
All these animators, and they never visited my animation thread.
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