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post #1 of 41
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Recently, I had a horrible run-in with Toshiba. I've been a very loyal Toshiba customer owning 3 Toshiba laptops. Never had to send the first two in for service, EVER! Now this third laptop on the other hand has been nothing but problems. It is a Toshiba Satellite P25-S509.

First off, I sent the laptop into service on August 9, 2004. I sent it in to repair a failing DVD-RW drive and USB port. They fixed the USB port and did not fix the DVD drive. To top the cake, they also did the following unnecessary things to the laptop: replaced properly functioning LCD screen, damaged top casing, damaged screws holding screen, and replaced the motherboard. So not only did they return a laptop only half fixed, they went ahead and did some damage of their own. 3 days after receiving the computer, the HD crashed permanently. They held onto the laptop in service for just over 2 weeks.

Unfortunately there were 2 hurricanes (Frances & Jeanne) which prevented me from being able to send the laptop back to them any sooner than Sept 24. I sent the latop in to repair the damage they had done as well as fix the crashed HD and DVD-RW drive(which should have been fixed the first time). After another 1 1/2 weeks later, I receive the laptop back with the physical damages fixed, the HD replaced, another motherboard replacement, and the DVD-RW still not functioning.

I was infuriated at this point. I called customer service to let Toshiba know how dissatisfied I was with their service. I asked the Customer Service Manager what my options were. She said the only thing she could do is send me another box and have it repaired again. I was completely against this option. I requested a new computer. She said Toshiba does not have a replacement policy and so a repair is my only option. So, here I was, with a laptop not functioning correctly, and not a sign of decent customer service. I even asked for them to just send me a drive and I would return the old one. they refused and only wanted me to ship my computer to them again. Such a simple problem has led to my being without a functioning laptop for over 2 months. The customer service manager promised me that she would get in touch with a higher person in the organization and get back to me with any possible solutions and work from there. I have yet to hear from this person. I called twice and left messages. All the information is in my records with Toshiba.

I do believe that this laptop was a complete waste of money and will likely never purchase from Toshiba again unless that customer service manager calls me back one day with some positive news. I am currently seeking remedy via the Florida Lemon Law. If anyone has any information that could help me resolve this issue without resorting to legal sources, please tell me.
post #2 of 41
OK.. I had a very similar thing happen with Apple. Here is what I did and received a VERY FAVORABLE resolution!

Call Customer Support and get the phone number for the "LEGAL DEPT"! Don't ask them anything else and don't add anything to the question or they will most likely NOT give it to you! Insist on the phone number for TOSHIBA'S LEGAL DEPT.

Then call them and advise on what you have shared here. Be persistent and relentless! I would not be surprised if you ended up with a new laptop! They should give you an upgraded version for your troubles!

Good Luck!
post #3 of 41
Just a quick question.
Was the repair agent actually Toshiba's own?
or just an authorized repair agent from another comapny?
post #4 of 41
Acey,

My scenario was with Apple. In the end of the scenario, I spoke directly with Apple's Executive Relations person, who handled my claim through Apple's Legal Dept. One MUST speak with Toshiba's CS "ONLY", I repeat "ONLY" to get the number for the Legal Dept. That will get the ball moving in a favorable motion and will bring the case to a successful conclusion. HOWEVER, I am ONLY making this recommendation do to the severity of InuYashaLRX's case as outlined above. I recommend everyone utilize the Cust Serv medium to get there systems serviced and etc. The Legal Dept is for "EXTREME SCENARIOS ONLY!" If you talk to them and you have NOT exhausted all efforts to bring the scenario to a successful close they will point you back and you will have lost the potential for future issues! This is what I refer to as the customer playing their "TRUMP CARD". Use it wisely or you will loose it!

I hope this helps all involved with this type of POOR CS. Good Luck!
post #5 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by seidell23112
Call Customer Support and get the phone number for the "LEGAL DEPT"! Don't ask them anything else and don't add anything to the question or they will most likely NOT give it to you! Insist on the phone number for TOSHIBA'S LEGAL DEPT.


Does anyone have the number for the legal department at Toshiba?? I'd rather not run the gauntlet of the outsourced (Asia) tech support that really knows nothing about the corp offices.

My Pro 6000 has benn in THREE times and crapped two days after this last "fix." ALL have been MB, fan, CPU --and power supply twice.

I just sent FAXes to to cust serv at TAIS, his boss, public relations in Irvine, and to the Toshiba Corp CEO in NY. I am THROUGH waiting for their help.

Also, from what I see on e-pinions, the 6100 had a BATCH of the same problems/fixes. Can anyone spell "class action (Toshiba can!!)?

Seth
post #6 of 41
Interesting that you are having problems with the customer service Dept. too. I have a similar situation in which I purchased a A75-S229 and am having several problems with it - crashing and locking up due to static electricity. I too have been in communication with their Corporate Customer Service Dept and have been given a document that relinquishes them of the machine should I sign - BTW, I will not sign.
Similar to your situation, I am on the third computer and it still has problems. They insist that they are shocked that I am having so many problems. It is also interesting that there are a large number of folks in this forum that are having the same problems! They too stated that they have a no refund and no exchange policy, which is totally absurd!

I also have owned 2 other products prior to this one and had enjoyed them. However, after dealing with their customer service, I will NEVER purchase another Toshiba product and would recommend if anyone is considering them to think twice because if a problem presents itself - good luck!

I am filing a product liability (class action) lawsuit to pry my hard earned money out of their caniving hands!
post #7 of 41
I have dealt with corporate for two weeks now and have no resolution. I told them of my intent to file a class action on this model (Pro 6000/6100). They even admitted they had a problem after the board "was re-engineered."

Mine has been in three times, getting ready for four. Since I have a Depot Express warranty I figure it's going to cost them much more in shipping/repair than a new one would be.

I even faxed a web site printout to them where someone has figured out the problem and tells you how to fix it.

BTW- When you talk to CSD for repair, you are out-sourced to where the earthquake hit. Twice while calling I got a message I "...must first dial a 011," so I knew I was screwed.
post #8 of 41
my brother in-law is having a problem with his toshiba laptop rebooting because of heat, even after i purchased him a laptop cooler from antec for christmas. i was ready to purchase a toshiba laptop after i had such good luck with my tv from them. but now i'm dashing it off the list.
post #9 of 41
I have posted a few others about this, but the depot stinks (imo) I would only use a Toshiba P(remier)ASP - http://pcrepair.toshiba.com

The A75 static issues are simply a grounding issue, that a PASP can fix by replacing a part. And yes Toshiba pays it all, even with the Depot warranty. If one is not near you then I guess the Depot is it, but I can only tell you I stopped using it a long time ago and only use a local PASP near me which has been great.

Just remember that all laptops these days have issues and with everyone outsourcing customer support I don't see it getting better
post #10 of 41

Toshiba Garbage

I have a Toshiba S805-1955 Laptop , paid about 2900.00 for the package,
and it locks up all the time on me, reformats my documents in word , notepad, im's and in browsers. It has choppy DVD playback, and more.
It has been in 7times for service , they took mine , and sent me a refurb that has the same problems and looks like it went through a war. all scratched up.
Anyway, email me if you wnat to help in the fight against Toshiba.
post #11 of 41

Toshiba!!!

I had a p10 , bought it cash i spent almost Usd2200. nice laptop but after a week the laptop was already crashing and giving problems with the battery. i talked with Toshiba so many times that the whole customer service team know me!!!!!!! i send it 4 times to their depot for repairs, they change the motherboard and the battery but it was useleness..I had to fight with them every day to change the laptop for a new one or my money back....i their response they offered me 40% less than the actual value of the laptop ...i didnt agree so they offered me to change the laptop for other model... I was lucky to have a nice peroson in Customer Relations...they changed my laptop for a New sealed Qosmio 15'. the fights and headaches worth it...
post #12 of 41

Toshiba Laptop Workmanship and Customer Service

I am responding in regards to your problems with your Toshiba laptop.
I have a Toshiba S805-1955, that locks upp all the time, overheats, reformats my documents i type in word, Im's, notepad, and browsers and outlook. It is very frustrating. It also has a choppy dvd playback. One of the other problems is it is dead quite often and woln't even power up. this is the second one I have had. The original one, which I kept in great shape they kept, and shipped me a refurbished piece of crap. The replacement was dead when i recieved it, I had to get it working. As I said it is dead quite often and woln't even power up and shutsdown on me while working on it. Now as for Toshibas customer service, it is the worst of any out there. They do not care about thier customers. I asked for a replacement or a refund , they wouldn't do either, and sent me the garbage I have now. I have been contacted by a few attorneys that are looking into a new class action lawsuit against them.
They have one allready that is costing them a fortune. Here comes the next one for defective equipment, and for selling laptops with desktop processors in them. Toshiba says they put them in there to speed them up, they slow them down. I hope they get it hard from this next class action law suit. This is going to be one against the whole Satalite series, for poor workmanship, and puuting desktop parts in a laptop and for thier poor customer service.
Dell would swap it out and has good customer service at least. I would not recommend anyone buying anything Toshiba.

Email me back .

dellengineer04@aol.com
post #13 of 41

Another Depot experience

My Toshiba notebook m35-s320 was mailed to depot for replacement of the motherboard (bad booting). Got back my computer with a dead USB port on the "new" motherboard. According to local service center, they have seen this happen MANY times, saying that the recycled boards frequently have existing problems. The person also complained that Toshiba only pays the authorized center ONCE for their labor. They ship garbage parts and expect the service providers to provide follow-up work for free?

I called tech support and was upset about having to mail the notebook back 1 week after the trip to the depot. I waited on hold FOR ONE HOUR (no kidding) for a customer relations case manager. No one ever picked up. I intend to follow-up again tomorrow. This is total BS.

Based on comments in this thread, it may be smart to just live with the dead USB port and wait for something else to break before playing "board roulette" again.

My plan is to fax a letter to Tadashi Okamura (CEO) and follow-up with letters to the editor of all the major pc publications. His info is:

Tadashi Okamura
President and
Chief Executive Officer
Toshiba - Japan
1-1, Shibaura 1-chome, Minato-ku,
Tokyo 105-8001, Japan
Tel : +81-3-3457-4511
Fax : +81-3-3456-1631

Any other contact information is appreciated.

Hank S.
Ft. Lauderdale
post #14 of 41

Toshiba Laptop Nightmare

I am responding to your post on Notebookforums.com.
I have brought my laptop in for service eight times now, to Comp USA, and have sent it out to Toshiba numewrous times too. The last time it was sent out to Toshiba, the sent me back a piece of crap refurb that looked like it was abused. It was all scratched up on top, my laptop was in excellent condition compared to that crap they sent me. Also the crap they sent me had so many more problems than my original laptop. It locks up all the time, overheats,causing the fan to run all the time, and causing my document to be reformatted all the time in MS Word, Notepad, Browsers, IM's and more.
The dvd playback is choppy because of the problem that many satalites are having, and that is the desktop processor they have put in these laptops.
Toshiba did this thinking that it would speed it up, it slowed it down, because
it increased the processor tempreture, causing the lockups, and choppy dvd playback, and the reformatting of documents, which in turn is caused by overeating. Not Only that the laptop Toshiba sent me was dead when I recieved the refurb, it powers up everyonce in a while. I just want to throw it at the wall. I threatend Comp USA with the FOX2 Problem Solvers , they said if you are threatening us with legal action , they will stop fixing it, and tiurn it over to thier legal department. I am letting them fix it, I will see what they are capable of doing. I think not jack diddily, and that I will have the same problems. If I do I will be in there yelling at them, and telling other customers not to buy anything there, because they don't back thier warranty's. I spent 3000.00 on a laptop package there, and get shit back.
Thier reputation is going down hill, I see so many people online having numerous problems with thier Toshiba products, and Comp USA and thier poor handling of service issues and customer service. I hope enough people will see this online, and we can create a new class action law suit against them in regards to the whole Toshiba Satalite series. I will look at this laptop again, I bet it still has the desktop processor in it.

Anyone reading this please leave your comments on your service with them or any of the other Computer Stores you purchased your laptops from, and the problems you are having too.

Thanks ya all,

dellengineer04
post #15 of 41

Update - Customer Relations Case manager

(please read my prior post for background)
Finally reached a Customer Relations Case Manager (in Turkey!). Offered absolutely NOTHING. I could either re-ship the unit back to the depot in Louisville, KY or get local service.
Based on the problems documented in this thread, I feel lucky that my problem is only one USB port (so far).
BTW, no one from Toshiba has yet to say the magic words "I'm Sorry"
Truly a very bad example of "service"
post #16 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by dellengineer04
Ithat is the desktop processor they have put in these laptops.
Toshiba did this thinking that it would speed it up, it slowed it down, because
it increased the processor tempreture, causing the lockups, and choppy dvd playback, and the reformatting of documents, which in turn is caused by overeating. Not Only that the laptop Toshiba sent me was dead when I recieved the refurb, it powers up everyonce in a while.

dellengineer04
You are an engineer, and you cannot understand why these things are happening? I was a laptop engineer for Texas Instruments, where we designed and built our laptops ourselves, instead of just doing the paper work and then sending designs off to Compal, etc.... You should know that all laptops have desktop parts in them, yet you blame a desktop processor for the cause of your woes. Many laptops have desktop processors in them(this used to be the only option) and they work just fine. Many people have 1955s that work just fine, so is it a problem with the whole design, or just a small percentage of those manufactured? Maybe the cooling system isn't working properly, but that is a different issue than Toshiba "using destop parts".... It is a known fact that many of the Compal Toshibas(as opposed to the other models that Toshiba builds themselves) have issues with the heat dissipation unit clogging up from dust and hair, causing laptops to overheat and not boot up. I have seen many people post the nastiest messages cursing Toshiba and blaming them for not replacing their laptops, when it was just a clogged grate the whole time.... I agree that some of the stories here are unfortunate, but they are not unique to Toshiba, as you will likely find similar stories to all of these about any manufacturer you could imagine.... One of my old laptops is a 1905-S301, and it uses a 2GHz P4 desktop processor that would get too hot and overheat when the heatsink became blocked. Keeping the heatsink clean enabled the computer to keep running just fine. It never did have any issues with DVD playback or loosing data files, which I have never seen happen more than once on any machine. Anytime data loss like that happens, it is usually due to hardware, and the OS can be damaged. At that point, the OS should be replaced, lest the damage come back to haunt you....

Anyhow, anytime you blame bad design on a company, you should realize that it would become impossible for a company to stay on top of technology, while always building perfect products, and always maintaining massive amounts of replacement parts for every piece of hardware that was ever built into each of their products. I regret the difficulty that some people have had in unsuccessfully getting their laptop repaired, but I have been repairing laptop's for many years now, and if a laptop is brought to me for repair, it is tested for several days after the repair to ensure that everything is working properly, and repaired using only new or fully tested and verified parts. That being said, I have seen people take perfectly working laptops, that have been perfectly working for weeks, and somehow break them within a day of possessing them....

One should always ensure before sending their laptop anywhere that they will be getting the original laptop back, and not another one. If this cannot happen, then the laptop should be repaired by a local individually authorized dealer using only working parts to repair that same very laptop. Since this is often difficult to get from any manufacturer, I just buy all of my laptops used, and if a problem does occur later, I use the money I saved to get the laptop locally and properly repaired.... This means that I never loose my data(which stays backed up, anyhow) and I would never have to risk having my laptop being replaced by someone elses "scratch pad".... This also means, of course, that I don't get any free replacement laptops, either ... And since some parts for laptops just aren't available as brand-new replacements anymore, all that is left is for a manufacturer to send you someone else's board with a possibly different defect. Having the laptop repaired yourself allows you to obtain new or perfectly working replacement parts from individuals that may have parts that the company doesn't have not to mention the fact that you could find an expert to repair your laptop instead of some noobie employed by the manufacturer....

Even when you take your Ford auto down to the factory dealership for repair, they are likely to put some 19 year-old kid on it, when you would have had better success taking your Ford to the non-factory-authorized "performance" auto shop down the road that employs only experts.....

Hitek

BTW, the 19x5 series of Toshiba laptops are some of the few that were built by Compal(like Dell laptops are) and not by Toshiba. I have found these Compal laptops to be below that of the quality of the Toshiba built laptop, as exampled by the Toshiba-designed and built 5205-S119 that I have now...
post #17 of 41
Any opinion on the 3005-S307 of that vintage?
post #18 of 41
I am support for medical students who have to purchase laptops; we've been at it for 9 years. 6 years were Toshiba and we were quite pleased, then came the SatPro 6100. I soon realized that my good feelings for Toshiba came from the quality of the product and the fantastic warranty work done by QHT.com in Dallas, a certified repair facility for Toshiba. When I had to deal directly with Toshiba it became a nightmare.

The original post here is a carbon copy of my experience. I had enormous difficulty finding a customer service rep # that worked and when I finally got to a human and described our situation (100+ homogeneous 6100s with AC adapter and HD failure rates *climbing* past 20% in the first 6mo) I was told that I could keep sending them in and there was no way to escalate.

These units *are* poorly designed and whether the fault of a brutal marketplace or Compal or someone in Toshiba's drafting dept who left out a vent, Toshiba decided to put their name on the outside. To further the auto analogy, what my students have had for a year and half are cars that only work 2 wks out of every month and when they do work are quite likely to strand you in a bad part of studytown. This is the product for which recalls were created.

I did "escalate" on my own. Posting like this and postings in Epinions, thesqueakywheel, etc. At the same time I used phone menu tricks attempting to reach someone at Toshiba who cared. Finally, under pressure from other education purchasers they 'said' they wanted to trade out the 6100s, but then couldn't put an offer together for two months. They delayed this way even after I told them that lawyers who'd seen my postings wished to take our case and the emotional state of the students was pretty much that of the villagers in a Frankenstein movie.

The squeakywheel posting actually got my email blocked from all contacts at Toshiba--can you say "head in the sand"? And we're now signed on to a class-action specific to the 6100--can you say "could have been avoided"?
post #19 of 41
I agree that Toshiba is highly lacking in the department of customer relations, and gladly I will never have a need to call them. They have "badged" some problem units, to be sure, but for every model they sold that had frequent problems, there were 20 more models they made that were superior units. Toshiba has been building laptops for 20 years(how long have the others?), so out of the hundreds of models they have sold, there are bound to be a few bad models. Ford made the Pinto, but that doesn't make all Ford vehicles inferior... The 6100 model happens to be one of the models to avoid, just as other Compal units are, and a mass trade-out for a better working Toshiba model probably would have been a satisfactory resolution for you and your students. It's unfortunate that Toshiba's administration did not have the wisdom to expedite your case, and continued to deny you resolution.

I can't help but wonder, though, if some of the existing 6100 users had reported the common problems that you have found with the 6100, and had already stated them in the form of product reviews or forum postings prior to your mass purchase of the units. Since I buy all of my laptops used, I am able diligently research a specific model before I purchase it. If I were to be buying a large amount of new laptops, I would never buy a model "hot off of the press". I would instead find out which models of laptops had been the best sellers in the market in the previous 6 months, in order to be able to review a larger sample of user reports. I would then find out which model had not been reported to have any problems common to that model, and then purchase the unit, first making sure from the manufacturer that the unit had gone significantly past it's first production revision. In your case, it doesn't seem like hard drives and AC adapters(neither of which is made by Toshiba) would be too difficult for Toshiba to replace, and they probably were in revisions of the 6100 model that were newer than yours....

Taking those steps might not have helped your situation, but it does seems like they could have possibly prevented it. As they say, "Hindsight is 20/20".....

Hitek
post #20 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by hanks424
(please read my prior post for background)
Finally reached a Customer Relations Case Manager (in Turkey!). Offered absolutely NOTHING. I could either re-ship the unit back to the depot in Louisville, KY or get local service.
Based on the problems documented in this thread, I feel lucky that my problem is only one USB port (so far).
BTW, no one from Toshiba has yet to say the magic words "I'm Sorry"
Truly a very bad example of "service"
I think your going to do better with local service than the mail in centre
your not going to be able to get the tech support people to do much of anything regardless.
If you have sent the laptop in for the same problem atleast 3 times in the last 90 days i would call up the devision of consumer services
http://www.800helpfla.com/contactus.html
they can and will help you work with toshiba

If you were up here in DC i would have you take it to the local repair place. they are the largest on the east cost and i have never had a single lappy come back from them that didn't work perfectly

I do think you should try at least one more time with a local place. When you bring the laptop in i would not go into detail about its problems, just tell them that it doesn't seam to like your toshiba USB mouse any more and the mouse works fine on your other machine. keep it simple and keep it vague and ask them to just check on everything.

Do i agree with you that the lot of this is stupid and should not happen? dam strait but i generaly just suck it up and send it back with extra broken stuff
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