hi im new and dont know too much about linux...what are the pros and cons of having it. and also can i have both xp and linux. thanks alot
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the pros of and cons of havin linux
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7/3/03 at 7:19pm
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you could have both operating systems if you wanted.
pros:
free (as in beer). doesn't cost hundreds of dollars like windows.
open source community - most programs are released as source code, and therefore free.
generally more stable than windows. (longer uptimes)
large variety and amount of programs/projects, which means plenty of freedom of choice. (for example, instead of being locked into one window manager, you can choose between Gnome, KDE, fluxbox, openbox, blackbox, icewm, afterstep, enlightenment, windowmaker, xpde, xfce, ratpoison, waimea, fvwm, evilwm, etc - you get the idea.)
a lot more modular - linux is essentially just the kernel, or core, of the os. all the other components are separate programs written by many different people. while it can be a little daunting to see so many different names, it also allows for flexibility. for example, you could completely omit the xfree graphics server if you didn't want to use a graphical gui at all, and you would get some extra free space. it makes sense on a 386, for example, which probably would have a hard time handling a graphics server. plus, i bet with a 386, you'd need all the space you could get.
more of a 'tweaker's' os, as i call it - if, for example, experimenting with various compiler flags to get the best optimization and performance out of your binaries is your thing.
not nearly as popular as windows. which means that all those virus writers and script kiddies go after windows, the os that everyone uses. i think linux has had a number of viruses in the single digits, or something low like that. however, the lack of popularity can also be a bad thing...
cons:
not nearly as popular as windows. which means very few commercial games and apps make it to linux. it's definitely not for playing the latest games, using photoshop and 3d studio max, etc. there are... 'equivalent' projects of sorts, but they are usually not as good/advanced.
steep learning curve. although user-friendly distros like mandrake make it relatively easy to do a lot through a gui, it still is a bit more difficult to get into. and i'll bet it's extremely difficult to get into using the command line if you've never used a command-line based os before.
see this thread for an example:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=42347
not many... safeguards against user error. if you rm * and delete everything in an important directory, you're not getting any of it back. although some of the window managers have their own kinds of 'recycling bins,' i think.
along the lines of 'not very popular,' linux is not very supported at all - you'll have trouble if you're the kind of person who calls tech support. if you call your isp to get help, and mention that you use linux, well... good luck getting that support.
i'm sure there are many more points to be made, but these are the only ones i could think of off of the top of my head. perhaps someone else could elaborate a little more.
i can't really give you much of a for/against recommendation without more info on your computing background, and more importantly, what you do on your comp and what you want to get out of it.
pros:
free (as in beer). doesn't cost hundreds of dollars like windows.
open source community - most programs are released as source code, and therefore free.
generally more stable than windows. (longer uptimes)
large variety and amount of programs/projects, which means plenty of freedom of choice. (for example, instead of being locked into one window manager, you can choose between Gnome, KDE, fluxbox, openbox, blackbox, icewm, afterstep, enlightenment, windowmaker, xpde, xfce, ratpoison, waimea, fvwm, evilwm, etc - you get the idea.)
a lot more modular - linux is essentially just the kernel, or core, of the os. all the other components are separate programs written by many different people. while it can be a little daunting to see so many different names, it also allows for flexibility. for example, you could completely omit the xfree graphics server if you didn't want to use a graphical gui at all, and you would get some extra free space. it makes sense on a 386, for example, which probably would have a hard time handling a graphics server. plus, i bet with a 386, you'd need all the space you could get.
more of a 'tweaker's' os, as i call it - if, for example, experimenting with various compiler flags to get the best optimization and performance out of your binaries is your thing.
not nearly as popular as windows. which means that all those virus writers and script kiddies go after windows, the os that everyone uses. i think linux has had a number of viruses in the single digits, or something low like that. however, the lack of popularity can also be a bad thing...
cons:
not nearly as popular as windows. which means very few commercial games and apps make it to linux. it's definitely not for playing the latest games, using photoshop and 3d studio max, etc. there are... 'equivalent' projects of sorts, but they are usually not as good/advanced.
steep learning curve. although user-friendly distros like mandrake make it relatively easy to do a lot through a gui, it still is a bit more difficult to get into. and i'll bet it's extremely difficult to get into using the command line if you've never used a command-line based os before.
see this thread for an example:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=42347
not many... safeguards against user error. if you rm * and delete everything in an important directory, you're not getting any of it back. although some of the window managers have their own kinds of 'recycling bins,' i think.
along the lines of 'not very popular,' linux is not very supported at all - you'll have trouble if you're the kind of person who calls tech support. if you call your isp to get help, and mention that you use linux, well... good luck getting that support.
i'm sure there are many more points to be made, but these are the only ones i could think of off of the top of my head. perhaps someone else could elaborate a little more.
i can't really give you much of a for/against recommendation without more info on your computing background, and more importantly, what you do on your comp and what you want to get out of it.
post #3 of 4
7/3/03 at 8:32pm
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If you just starting out and not sure if you want to use Linux full time then you can create a dual boot system with XP. It's not hard at all. Take a look at my distro poll that turned into a Q&A on installing Gentoo (an uber customizable version of linux, you compile everything <it's not as hard as you would think>). You basically set aside 3 partitions for Linux and then install the boot loader into your master boot record, create and entry to tell it where linux is and where xp is. Then when you start up you can select what OS you want. BTW, always have you flavor of Windows installed first because 9 times out of 10 windows will overwrite your boot loader.
On to the fun stuff.
Distro(butions) of Linux
Mandrake - most User friendly and easiest to install
RedHat - One of the oldest and most supported distrobutions.
SuSe - Another good distrobution
Debian - A more 'hardcore' version IMHO
Gentoo - Newer distro that you boot and build from scratch. Once built you have a custom system designed by you.
Check out Distrowatch to see what's hot
Knoppix - One of the most popular CD-based distrobutions. There's 2GB of Installed Linux on one CD
You burn the iso boot it and Linux runs completely from the CD. It lets a person who just wants to try out linux without installing it. There's also an option to install the contents of the CD to your HD. Once done you basically have a Debian version of Linux.If you sure you want linux and want to just roll up your sleeves and try it then go with Gentoo. There's an install guide at gentoo.org and it's relitively painless. Since you compiling all the programs the install time is significantly longers hours to days.
If you want something quick try Redhat or Mandrake.
NOTE: With the Sagers there's a particularily nasty bug when booting a Linux install cd and kernel. You'll most likely need to use the NOUSB NOFirewire options because all the versions I've seen hang when they probe the firewire chipset.
post #4 of 4
7/4/03 at 4:11am
i would go with mandrake first. the reason why is because redhat/other-distro does not re-adjust (create free space for the new partition ) your drive. mandrake does. otherwise you will need 'partition magic' or become an expert partition guru. before you do all this, you'll need to defrag your drive in windows.
you will have to get used to all kind of program names.
if you go mandrake. defrag your drive and insert your mandrake cd. follow instructions.
done
if you go with redhat:
**********************************
go to amazon and get the redhat 9.0 bible (1000's of pages. comes with the 3 CDs and cost about $34 free shipping). so you get everything!
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1 defrag your drive in windows
2 get a copy partition magic and free up some of your drive. you can then create a new partition (it doesn't matter the file system at this point)
3 put the CD 1 and let redhad automatically set up your partitions using the free space you created (Redhat will fromat the space to ext3)
4 continue with the set up.
done
good luck
you will have to get used to all kind of program names.
if you go mandrake. defrag your drive and insert your mandrake cd. follow instructions.
done
if you go with redhat:
**********************************
go to amazon and get the redhat 9.0 bible (1000's of pages. comes with the 3 CDs and cost about $34 free shipping). so you get everything!
***********************************
1 defrag your drive in windows
2 get a copy partition magic and free up some of your drive. you can then create a new partition (it doesn't matter the file system at this point)
3 put the CD 1 and let redhad automatically set up your partitions using the free space you created (Redhat will fromat the space to ext3)
4 continue with the set up.
done
good luck
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