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how fuzzy does uxga get?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Being stuck up here in canada, we don't get the great deals like you fellers do down in the states, so the latest 20% off XPS deal is making me lean towards the XPS over the 8600...I'm a little worried about the resolution though (a common concern i'm sure).

So, I'm just wondering how fuzzy does it get (uxga)if you drop the resolution down to something a little more reasonable? 99% of the time, it will be used as a secondary monitor anyways (for graphic design/Web design/photo editing stuff), but it would be nice if it was still pretty sharp.

On a related note, there's no problem hooking the XPS up to a CRT monitor is there?

Thanks!
post #2 of 12
I would rate fuzzyness on mine screen when i lower resolution to anything below 1920x1200 as bad. But I dont feel quite that way when playing games.
post #3 of 12
Anything but the listed resolution is terrible when on the desktop. Games seems to not be as bad though.

Does anybody have an explanation at to why the fuzziness happens? I have a Dell c610 at work that seems to be fine at any resolution. Why does that one work, but not my 9100?
post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
cool thanks.

there's a thread around here somewhere that explains why the fuzziness happens...something to do with anti-aliasing when the image doesn't take up a whole pixel (ie an image that's 7.5 pixels wide after the resize). The thread also mentioned that it wasn't too bad on the UXGA screens, because the resolution was so high anyways.
post #5 of 12
you mention the laptop's display will be a secondary yes? you do realize that the internal and external displays do NOT operate at the same resolution, unless YOU set them that way?

There is no reason to change the LCD to anything other than default. If you aren't using a widescreen external you'll not be running it in widescreen. So there's no reason you can't have the external at 1600x1200 etc while the lcd is 1920x1200.

the only case that would cause issues is if you're desktop sharing, but if i recall from when I tried that, it still doesn't matter what res the external is. But I did notice that during sharing, if it was smaller than the lcd, the bottom and right of the screen are missing, so 1600x1200 on external would equal that portion of the main starting from the top left.

I noticed I never saw the toobar at the bottom, so you'd need to toolbar at the top wanted to see it on the ext display

at least I hope what I remember from trying that is accurate
post #6 of 12
The thread with the explanation for the 'fuzziness' you mentioned happens to be the FAQs, so have a look if you are interested in a detailed explanation

Stu
post #7 of 12
Just another quick question regarding the WUXGA display - I read in several posts that ATI cards aren't able to scale 1680x1050 res to full screen using this particular display. However, another member (RickS) stated that this res works fine at full screen on his 9800 Pro / WUXGA display XPS system. Did ATI finally fix this problem with the 9800 Pro card or did they find a way to work around it drivers?



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It's snowy here like crazy today
post #8 of 12
.... Snowing ?

We will receive snow soon enough. We call it white shit, not snow, by the way :P


On my iXPS my resolution is good as long as I keep the same ratio.

On my desktop theres no way its ever going lower then 1920x1200, but in games I sometimes went lower and it isnt something I notice enough to complain about

Im a real screen maniac too. The only reason I didnt buy a Sony is price (that or common sense... sheesh)
post #9 of 12
I would like to know how hard is the UXGA to read off of. anyone got pics that show a real closeup on text? Whats a size font comparison?

Thanks.
post #10 of 12
why do you keep saying uxga? you would never run these displays in UXGA. The WUXGA is a UXGA panel with extra pixels on the sides to make up the wide aspect ratio.

the only way you could possibly view UXGA fullscreen would be to stretch the width, which would be STUPID. Turn off screen stretching, and 1600x1200 would look EXACTLY the same as 1920x1200, except with black bars on the sides.

If you mean WSXGA, that's another story altogether. But there is NO rhyme or reason to run a "W" screen in a "non W" res, unless it's because that's what a game runs at.

If you use an external display for UXGA, then it's going to look perfect of course, as that has nothing to do with the laptop screen. But there is no rational reason to run these displays in non Wide mode. There is no benefit and it won't be more readable. I don't know why people think smaller is harder to read. it isn't. Fuzzier is harder to read. The more precisely text is written on a screen the easier it is to read. in the CRT world, smaller means harder to read, because it's too hard to make 3 color phosphurs which are side by side look like they are a single dot. LCD doen't have that problem. The colors are overlayed, not side by side, so the sharpness is unmatched.

But back to the uxga question. if you try to run these displays in uxga and full screen, you're asking to lcd panel to run all 1920 pixels to display a 1600 pixel picture, when it could have used 1600 pixels for the 1600, and used the other 320 for more desktop space. if you are somehow worried about an external monitor versus the lcd, that's not an issue, they don't need to be the same res. but if that's a concern, turn off scaling so the lappie doesn't try to make uxga fullscreen, it'll be the sharpest it can possibly be then.

otherwise, again, why are you worried about running the display in a non wide mode? if it's for games, don't worry, text will be fine, text in games is rarely small enough to need to be pixel perfect

oh, and when people say the lcd looks fuzzy, it's not fuzzy like bad crt's get. It's fuzzy compared to the native resolution. I just tried uxga and sxga, and the text looks almost the same as far as fuzziness. the difference is uxga text is FAT, the way a regular tv show looks when you try to strecth it to be full screen on a wide tv like i have. the letters look short and fat rather than normal. Also, there is no benefit to readability, it hurt readability. Take the letter F. in natvie res, each line of the F is a single pixel thick. It's sharpness is equal to you writing the letter F on a piece of paper with a nice ballpoint pen. that same letter F in uxga or sxga (on the wuxga screen), looks like that same letter F you wrote on the paper, after you RETRACE it several times and consistantly made it a little wider and and little wider, until you still know it's an F, but you also know it was dumb to have traced over it, and you did was make it look messy now. Same goes with say e's and s's. An e is perfect right now, umistakeable. Same with s. But both while in uxga mode look, well, smudged. Again, write a small s on a piece of paper, and write is very small. As long as you only draw it once, it's readable. But start tracing over it, and the gaps between the curved sections get filled in, and it becomes hard to define it's shape. that's what it looks like in uxga mode. But again, turn off screen scaling, so it's only using 1600x1200 pixels, it would look identical to how it does in wuxga, as both would be 1 to 1 pixel alignments.

So yes, it's fuzzy, but it's fuzzy like many crt's are normally. maybe not the super nice big ones, but the ones most of us have used for years. But it's still readable, just not as readable as leaving it in wuxga.

Please take no offense in this, just trying to understand why you're intersted in uxga with a wuxga screen, and give thoughts on it without knowing the why yet guess i'm trying to "mind read" oooh, I got esp now hehe
post #11 of 12
I meant WUXGA
post #12 of 12
ah ok so you mean is wuxga hard to read since it's so small?

nope and yes depending. The text is as sharp as crisp as if it were typeset by a printing press. The most focused, uniform, clear text, just like any LCD running at native res.

considering you're eyes will likely be less than 18" away, for me it seems perfectly normal. But if you were standing over my shoulder, your eyes 30-36" away, it would seem almost unreadable unless you had fantastic vision

while typing this I'm noticing how I sit when I type. Elbows on my desk, hands stetched out over the keyboard. My eyes seem to be maybe an inch behind my elbows, and my hands, if fingers are outstretched, about 2" from the base of the display. So that should give you an idea of about how close I suspect you'll sit. I find the text at times a little small, but I'm also at the beginnings of losing my reading sight, I just got reading glasses this year, only .5 enhancement, so it's very minimal, and I rarely use them because I'm not actually having problems reading the screen. At the time, it was certain books I was having trouble focusing on as to why I went to the eye dr.

I'm also running with the standard 96 dpi text and normal size fonts. If you use large fonts or the 120dpi setting, the text gets much larger, but doesn't loose it's crispness, just looks odd. For me, it just feels like the words are too big, and since I use FireFox, it also makes quite a few webpages unreadable. If I used IE likely I woudn't have had a problem, but I don't want no worms

I'd say, if you want a good comparison on text, go to a Bible store, and look for a small print bible, like the pocket size ones. The text is very small, but still readable. If you have no problem reading small text bibles, I'd say you'll do fine with he wuxga. If you have to squint and move the book back and forth to focus, well, you'll need the larger font size Dell sends it in at a minimum. You might even want to go with the wsxga. I personally love the extra real estate, I use it all the time, I'd say get the wuxga and just adjust the text size if you need to, and make it comfortable. the ability to get more stuff on screen it great
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