ATI Radeon 9600 pro or Nvidia 5600 go: Which is faster?

Wow...I did not realize the M10 beat the 5600go that bad. That is quite large of a difference.

Also, is the "wide screen laptop" (the one which couldn't be photographed) possibly the new Alienware? Seems so to me.

Im thinking this was a hardware issue with the test unit.. as in that the test unit for the ati had a native resolution of 1280x1024.. And since the brand name of the test unit is not known and could even be a model ati built specially for them.. I doubt it was the sager model and the sager should be able to go up to it's native resolution.. which is higher than 1280x1024

I dont think so.. from what i have heard the new alienware will be using nvidia chip not ati..

I heard alienware will be using both

You know what's really funny? Thats not the m10 pro that just a regular m10. The pro is seriously going to spank the 5600. The new sagers are going to have the 9600 pro. I can't wait to see some benchmarks from those systems. I'm guessing 11,000 in 3dmark 2001.

alienware will actually choose only one, i remember reading that awhile ago

As Ive heard it they now plan on launching with the Nvidia chip and will soon offer the ATI chip.

the m10 will surely be faster but that doesnt mean that nvidia didnt try to stop it. Last i recall its the Nvidia chips still holding performance crowns until M10 based laptops ship and arrive

Geforce 4 Go 4200 32MB
Geforce 4 Go 4200 64MB
Quadro 4 Go 700 64MB
Quadro FX Go 700 128MB
Geforce FX Go 5600 64MB
Geforce FX Go 5200 64MB

are all widely available and all are better than the current ATI or SiS or even Trident Offerings for Quite some time now i yet to see even honorable mention since my 4200 go is spanking some serious ati a$$

not when it comes to image quality thats for damn sure

Any Info?

Has anyone found out any information on what the holdup on the 9600 is? ATI says their shipping. I have seen lots of reports that they are having yeild issues, but that doesn't explain why only Germans seem to be able to get their hands on them. It would be nice to find someone in "the know". I have friends at Intell and AMD, but I don't know anyone that works at ATI.

***Last i recall its the Nvidia chips still holding performance crowns until M10 based laptops ship and arrive***


True, the current top of the line Geforce Go 4200 model is at the top of the heap right now, but there are so few laptops that carry them due to poor design issues that your options are very limited for actually obtaining one. This is mainly because their form factor is not one that can be easily swapped out in place of another video card, so most manufacturers would actually have to redesign practically the entire laptop configuration to fit the card in.

To the best of my knowledge, Dell is the only manufacturer (or at least major manufacturer) that even offers the Go 4200, though I could be wrong, and though I looked at it long and hard, I still decided it would be better to wait for the m10 since I already have a laptop with an m9.

As for the Go 5200 and Go 5600, I'd love to know what manufacturers are shipping those cards, because I sure havn't seen any evidence that they are anything but vaporware yet.

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are all widely available and all are better than the current ATI or SiS or even Trident Offerings for Quite some time now i yet to see even honorable mention since my 4200 go is spanking some serious ati a$$
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Um, SiS and Trident? If we are going to have a serious discussion of laptop graphics, we can safely leave them out.

just my $.02.

http://uk.computers.toshiba-europe.c...4&DISC_MODEL=0

and

http://www.laptopsetc.co.uk/acatalog..._GRT716S_.html

The new Sony GRT series also has the Geforce 5600 available. Still, it's a sony...

Well slap my mouth and call me Daisy, looks like toshiba and sony are both offering the Go 5600. Must be pretty recent since I didn't see those on offer a few weeks ago. Couldn't get one of the above links to work, but if you go to either manufacturers site they are there. I have seen some benchmarks/reviews/articles that suggest that the 5600 will fare better vs. the m10 at the larger 1600x1200 resolution for what it's worth.

Not sure about Europe, but at least here in the U.S., it looks like these products are available for order, but not yet in stores, or at least not in BestBuy stores (bestbuy.com will let you order, but the website says they are not currently available). The websites I checked say the product will ship in 1-2 weeks. No idea what that translates to for actual delivery if you were to order right now, but it sounds promising.

I'm still waiting for the m10, however. Whether or not that is the best move for a laptop gamer will have to wait till we see both products shipped and benchmarked side by side, but the majority of what I have seen indicates that the m10 wil be worth waiting for.

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[b]***Last i recall its the Nvidia chips still holding performance crowns until M10 based laptops ship and arrive***



As for the Go 5200 and Go 5600, I'd love to know what manufacturers are shipping those cards, because I sure havn't seen any evidence that they are anything but vaporware yet.

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Well you can go into your local CompUSA to see physical proof that the Toshiba 5205-S705 has the 5600 GO installed in it so I would hardly call that vaporware. There is some type of release agreement with Toshiba and Nvidia so they are going to sport this video card first, with other companies sure to follow although in what order is really unknown at this point.

This debate is really getting irrelevant because the m10 isn't even available in North America yet and recognizing any type of performance analysis is silly unless it comes from someone unbiased on this site when someone finally does buy a production model and is able to sit down and analyze it. Let's say it again, 3dmark 2001 is not an accurate performance measure any more. It is outdated and who knows how ATI and Nvidia have rigged their drivers to give exaggerated benchmarks. Even 3dmark 2003 is not something I would trust completely.

What is known now, is Nvidia destroys anything ATI has out on the market now and has done so continuously for quite some time. Both video cards 4200, and 5600 play current games great and without a doubt will handle future games very well. Let's not keep pointing out Nvidia mobile cards only have 64mb. Alot of you guys are obviously favored towards ATI for various reasons and that is perfectly acceptable. ATI makes great video cards also. What you don't want to acknowledge is Nvidia produces damn good video cards. The 4200 Go is a great video card, and the 5600 Go is on the same boat.

If the m10 beats Nvidia's offering then by all means the crown is out. But you aren't getting some garbage card going with Nvidia

I'd like to ask to stop the Nvidia bashing and start to keep a balanced view on things, but that is not going to happen ever. I see alot of people striving to find proof that ATI conquers Nvidia but I don't see anything constant from customers such as myself or anyone else on this board because we aren't afforded the luxury yet of being able to compare. Everyone will lean towards one company or the other, and that is what makes things great is because it forces competition to the table for both of these companies to constantly strive to make something better then the other.



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lol I understand a lot of people are a bit biast since of course sagers are using the m9 atm. Ati kicked nvidia's ass last year in the mobile graphics department and 2003 nvidia is kicking ati's ass.

who cares really if a lot of us dislike nvidia for certain reasons, a lot of people here that own sagers which have m9's have and will continue to love the product and video card and there as well as I am looking forward to the sucessor more than the nvidia helpings.

perhaps that will change soon if ati doesnt get the damned m10 out soon enough

btw if nvidia doesnt make a ultra version of the 5600 then no it wont be faster in higher resolutions compared to the m10pro