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post #21 of 36
Albert, might wanna slow down and read *all* the posts before you reply next time. you would have seen that I corrected some of my earlier statements.

As for Nvidia bashing, I don't see it in these posts myself, though you seem a bit biased towards NVidia. Nvidia holds traditional dominance in Desktop, ATI has traditional dominance in laptop. Both those things are in a constant state of flux, however. Who has the best products in which arena depends largely on where in their product cycles you ask the question, since who is best tends to depend on a number of different factors, and recently the "title" tends to trade hands every other month it seems like. Add in the chicanery both sides are playing with the benchmarking routines, and the various pricing points, and individual "tilt", and the whole things gets even messier.


In any case, Yes, Nvidia is making the fastest laptop videocards currently, but evidence suggests that within weeks they will lose that crown. And then they will probably regain it a month or so later, etc., etc., etc.

which one is the right one to go out and purchase largely depends on the individual, the other laptop features (lets not forget there is more to a laptop than the videocard) and at what price/technology point they are comfortable with spending the several thousand dollars necessary for the laptop. I'm not going to pay $3000 for a new laptop that is only an incremental upgrade over my current one. I will for one that blows my current one out of the water. what that means will be different for different people.

And of course some people will always like ATI over Nvidia, some will always like Nvidia over ATI. Your posts will never change that, nor will they change the behavior of other posters here or anywhere else, for the same reasons you'll never makes AMD vs. Intel converts....people just think what they think. I would ask you to read all the post before replying however, because if you had you might not have posted.

All these new Nvidia products JUST hit the shelves, and are BARELY available, just as the m10's will be when they are first released, so excuse me if I wasn't waiting on the loading dock for the shipment. But for the end user the formula is always going to be the same. ergo-------> "want the best ______, get X right now!, but if you wait a few more _____, get Z! it will blow away X and also include Y, but you have to wait a few more ______."
post #22 of 36
Ok let's address a few things here. I definitely read all there was to read in this thread before making a post defending Nvidia. I don't know where you come off saying I am biased towards Nvidia because I make several valid arguements showing that Nvidia has just as great of a video card as ATI.


Once again , you compare something that isn't even out to something that is. Don't keep pointing out to me that the m10 is going to blow the 5600 Go out of the water because you have absolutely no independent facts to support your arguement other then what you assume based off sketchy pre-reviews from various sites who's integrity is if anything skeptical to trust themselves. I compare what is out now , to what else is out now or is that not a good way of thinking? Maybe I should guess that Nvidia is going to release a 5600 Mobile Ultra version, or even a 5800 go and say that it will beat the m10 pro


Never once did I claim that I was on a holy crusade in converting people to my Nvidia cult. I am very independent in the way I look at things, and based off all the available information I have I try to make an educated decision. It doesn't matter to me at all if Nvidia is going to lose the crown because I am going to go where the best performance is at . People need to be more open minded but I knew this when posting on this board , because Sager=ATI so I'm not upset or anything.

I love ATI just as much as anything Nvidia can produce. But I don't need to make threads supporting ATI because 99 percent of the people on these forums will do that for me.

If you actually noticed in a previous post I made on this topic, I made a statement saying that alot of it comes down to individual preference for which video card to choose, but I didn't feel the need to keep repeating myself, but for the sake of supposedly not reading before posting I will.

I would do the same thing if I were posting against people dismissing ATI's m10 video card claiming the 5600 will beat it.
post #23 of 36
whatever dude. you need to calm down and relax. go back, read the posts, you'll see why your over-reacting. This is supposed to be a friendly discussion of "ATI Radeon 9600 pro or Nvidia 5600 go: Which is faster? ", not a flamejob forum, and if you want to start a thread called "fastest production laptop videocard" you are welcome to. You are selectively scanning the posts instead of reading them all, and your putting a lot words in my mouth that I never said, and this is rapidly ceasing to be a useful discussion, so I'm off to other topics.
post #24 of 36
Anyone who reads this post hopefully will see that it is impossible to define if the Nvidia 5600 go or ATI 9600/Pro Version will be the faster/better video card at this time. I also hope that they will see that the Nvidia 5600 GO is a damn good mobile video card also that probably performs better then alot of people would give credit to it.

I'm not overeacting to your posts in fact I enjoy a healthy debate of differing opinions . It's what makes me continue to browse these boards and post with you guys. I get alot of information and I understand arguing on forums is really pointless because people will believe what they want no matter who or what is telling them otherwise.

I don't see this as a useless thread. If two people post something that is different then the other , there is bound to be some arguing. We get off topic , but who cares? Once again it makes the forums a better place to have active threads regardless of them staying precisely "on topic"


If I wanted to summarize this thread in one sentence , I could say " You can't analyze which card is faster , because that's impossible right now" That wouldn't leave much for a forum if everyone did that.
post #25 of 36
The Voodoo M460 using the ATI Mobility 9600 at 2.6ghz posted 144.92 fps compared to 116.85 on the Toshiba 5205-S705 at 2.4 ghz. I took the M460 numbers from the GamersDepot review which is supposedly a production machine and the Toshiba was run by a friend.

This isn't conclusive by no means, but does elude to a better chip with ATI.

Historically, the speed crown was held by 3dfx then NVidia then ATI and now NVidia again by a VERY small margin. Throw in the overall usability of the ATI All In Wonder along with (IMO) better drivers and I think NVidia still has to gain some ground.

This is just my opinion, but championing NVidia simple because the held the speed crown for a couple years doesn't really buy anything.
post #26 of 36
I think its kind of funny that people keep comparing 9600 to the 5600 when it the 9600 pro that’s going into the sagers. The 9600 beats the 5600 in benchmarks. Not by a lot mind you but it is still winning. The 9600 pro is going to be a higher clocked version of the 9600 so its going to be beating the 5600 by a more considerable margin. ATI's cards have better image quality and they handle antisotropic filtering and antialiasing better then NVIDIA. This is why you see site after site recommending the 9800 over the 5900 even though the 5900 is slightly more powerful. The best mobile gpu right now is ATI's even though its only available in small numbers. Hopefully NVIDIA will step up and bring something even better, but until then ATI is holding the crown in mobile graphics.
post #27 of 36
Does anyone know if there will be an ultra version of the 5600go anytime soon. One thing about nvidia that's good is they can play Tribes 2 very well. My geforce 2 was way better than my radeon 9700 when playing Tribes 2, but for everything else the radeon is much better.
post #28 of 36
More fuel to the fire: UK Gamer - NVidia vs ATI

This shows the 9600 on closer matched machines to still have a lead, but not as big as the Voodoo machine results I posted earlier.

As for the Pro version. I wouldn't expect it to be much faster than the non-pro. Probably less than 5% overall. Under some conditions it will shine. Looking at the non-mobility based ATI chips shows only a few frames per second more.
post #29 of 36
the problem in comparing the two mobile graphics cards is that (unlike desktops) it's basically impossible to build two systems that are simliar enough to give true benchmarks. Then of course you have to figure in that every benchmark ever made is biased towards one of the card manufacturers. it's not neccesarily something malicious but the people who make the benchtests do so because they get paid by someone....usually one of the graphics cards companies.

The only benchmark you should really trust is your own eyes. All you can expect from these forums are people opinions (which of course are fine, that's what they are for).

Myself, I have both an ATI card (the 9000 in my 8886) and an nvidia Geforce in my desktop. I like them both, I have problems with both, there are advatages to both.

If I had to choose between ATI's latest chip and Nvidia's latest chip assuming everything else was equal, what would I choose? Probably Nvidia, but not because I think it's neccesarily a better chip, but because when my older Nvidia card fried (after about four years of constant, very hard use) they sent me a new one no questions asked, so I have a good relationship with Nvidia. If something went wrong with my m9000 and it was replaced for free then I'd be right back to square one.

I would be very happy to read other people's stories of why they prefer one card over the other, but really these "nvidia/ati blows nvidia/ati out of the water" are not very helpful (and tend to cause flames that are just irritating to scroll through).

Thanks.
post #30 of 36
Quote:
Originally posted by Tyranous
Then of course you have to figure in that every benchmark ever made is biased towards one of the card manufacturers. it's not neccesarily something malicious but the people who make the benchtests do so because they get paid by someone....usually one of the graphics cards companies.
Benchmarks that actually use the games you plan on running are the most valuable tools in deciding which card to go with. Being able to compare directly would be great, but I have never been in any computer store that is going to allow me to load the games I play on to two systems and check out the differences. Quality reviews use several benchmarks and the top sites that do reviews use tons at different quality settings. Anandtech sometimes even goes so far as to test a new card with several different processors to see how cpu scalling effects performance.

Hardocp.com is my favorite hardware sight. When they do reviews of video cards not only do you see the numbers but they also provide many screenshots to allow you to see the image quality. I imagine when hardocp finally does a review of the 9600 it will be in comparison to the 5600 like they did with the 9800 vs 5900. That will be a quality review done by a site that I trust.

Oh and by the way Nvidia doesn't make the cards they make the Graphics processors that are used in the cards. Your loyalty belongs to whoever made your card not to Nvidia. Nvidia sells the chips to a company and then that company uses them to make the cards. Nvidia provides the reference plans for the cards, but its the actuall company that provides the warranty and the customer service. I'd love to know the name of the company that gave you a new card after four years. Most warranties don't last that long.
post #31 of 36

Another benchmark

Here is another review, yet showing that the M10-P will simply kick ass

http://www.ukgamer.com/article.php4?id=90&page=1
post #32 of 36
this quote from the [H] front page means some notable news should be comming this week...

""Also worthy of noting is that we will show you a side of the Mobility 9600 that you likely have not been show yet....next week."

http://www.hardocp.com
post #33 of 36
awesome

I bet there going to OC it, muwahha yes yes yes!!

OoooooooooOooHh
post #34 of 36

OC it?

If you read the UK Gamer article you will note that the M10 OVERDRIVE feature always overclocks the card to the maximum. Therefore, you don't need to do anything to overclock the chip yourself.
post #35 of 36
It never overclocks the card by itself, I think its a feature you have to enable

I'll go read the uk thing again but I didnt see anything saying it ALWAYS has it oc'ed to the max.
post #36 of 36
A quote from Rage3d on the Overdrive function: "When enabled, Overdrive will clock the chip higher until the upper heat boundary is reached, the speed is then constantly altered to maintain that operating temperature." So it's not necessarily overclocked, but optimally clocked based on how hot your laptop is. "So if you are sitting outside with your laptop in Arctic temperatures then you are going to get some automatic overclocking done for you."
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