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Possible heat problem? Or bad video card? Or drivers?

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So I've been battling this odd problem here for the past 2 months. Unfortunately I've changed a number of things and so cannot pinpoint what the problem might be. First of all when playing games I notice some white fuzz. It looks like an old movie playing, except instead of black fuzz on the white movie screen, I have white fuzz on darker backgrounds. Its small, 1-3 pixels in size, random in appearance, and sporadic. At any time there are 5-6 little fuzzies, and they change location every 1/4th of a second or so. I only notice it when its on a darker image - and only when doing 3D gaming.

Secondly, I get bad texture corruption while playing City of Heroes. Basically certain textures decide they want to go psychedelic on me... and stay that way the rest of the game. It usually presents itself sometime in the first 10 minutes of playing, but occasionally takes a bit longer.

Third, I occasionally have games freeze on me. This happens after about 45 minutes while I am making Neverwinter Nights modules, or just am hardcore CoHing. Really the freezing isn't so much a problem.

Now I suppose this could be my GPU overheating. I just opened it all up and blasted it out with air as best I could - without taking apart the bottom entirely. Overall the fans come on and off much like they always have at idle, and ramp up to medium speed during heavy gaming. So I'm not so sure its heat.

Ok now onto what I've changed in the recent past. 1) I put in the 3Ghz CPU, up from the 2.6Ghz. I also did the AS mod at the time, though I suspect I used a bit too much as temps increased over the old 2.6 more than I'd have liked. Still, I ran 3dmark 2003 overnight without incident and so assumed it was fine. Secondly I updated my video drivers to the Omega 4.8s. Since then I've tried every driver imagineable without being able to fix the problem. Finally, I got a new AC adapter because the amount of noise generated through the speakers while plugged in is just flat out messed up. And Tech support said its normal and not covered by the warranty. So whatever, I wear headphones and can live with it. They said a new AC adapter might fix it since it only happens when plugged in...

I'm still thinking this whole problem might be heat related. If I get my hands on another 2.6 I might throw it back in just to see. Though, I guess permanent GPU damage might exist. I thought the CPU and GPU were near-opposite on sides of the chassis?

Could drivers be doing this? I've run omega's driver cleaner, but who knows right? Right now I have the 4.5s and its still an issue. I have DX9.0c, and WinXP with SP2. This fuzz thing is just whacky. I hope somehow I can get it fixed :chuckle: Thanks for any ideas. Also, can I measure the GPU temperature in any way? If the GPU is overheating and the CPU is not would the laptop compensate appropriately?

Just on a hunch I decided to go looking into this futher... testing other games. UT2004 and BF1942 have no fuzz or texture corruption. Lords of the Realm 3, and 3dmark 2005 do though. Maybe I'll just reload. Or, can anyone recommend a REALLY good driver cleaner (better than omegas)?
post #2 of 9
the fact that these issues arise based on the program running certainly sounds like the program is the issue--patch the programs, turn down acceleration a notch
post #3 of 9
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The other theory is different programs use different parts of the GPU - so if one part is damaged that is going to affect only certain games. Or perhaps some games run it harder than others.. For these games I have lowered the resolution down as much as is possible with everything off, and even underclocked the GPU and memory with no success. The fuzz persists. This could just be a problem with the mobile chipset - but without another nearby to test I'm asking for peoples' experiences. It does seem worse on older games.
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I don't think "different parts of the GPU is an accurate assessment...different features, perhaps, but the whole GPU is going to be in play. The key is feature, which is controlled by software.

You note older games play worse--can you say if these games are opengl or direct3d games? If so, which version of Direct3d came with the game?

You never mentioned WHAT notebook/gpu you have. Have you update your bios?

You never answered if you patched the various games.

You mention that you are using Omega 4.5s--there are no Omega 4.5s DO you mean the Omega's based on ATI Cats 4.5 (ditto 4.8s).

You mention that you are using the Omega drivers...what happens when you use the Sager released drivers for your model (since Omega drivers are 3rd party alternatives).

Did you try the Omega 2.5.90, which are based on the catalyst 4.10 beta? Which fixes issues

When you upgraded your CPU, did you reinstall windows (you should have)? What version of Windows? Did you install the CORRECT chipset utility afterwards?
post #5 of 9
Think gerryf's on target with shooting for the software angle first. Hopefully it's a driver issue.

However, mine started out somewhat similar. My GPU is almost dead (details in my Live from Japan review) and artifacts madly at times.

Hopefully you can get the problem singled out so you can get it taken care of.
post #6 of 9
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- My notebook is in my sig guys :P Sager 5680, Radeon 9600 pro turbo, 3.0Ghz P4w/HT, 1GB PC3200 DDR, 60GB harddrive, 15" UXGA screen.

- Yes I mean the Omegas based off the Cat 4.5s..

- I have the bios that came with my laptop - I might upgrade to the latest one that fixes the problems with WMP and DVDs playing improperly on all catalyst drivers above the 4.5s.

- I haven't gone back to the original Sager drivers because they have many issues (including lackluster performance) in recent game titles.

- ATI doesn't MAKE ATI mobile compatible drivers last I checked, so short of using a mod tool I can't just go install them. Now I have tried the DH Mod tool, but just as soon would use the Omegas. The 4.10s won't work this way however.

- I don't understand why I'd have to reinstall windows after upgrading the Mhz on my CPU. Could you explain this? I've upgraded perhaps thousands of PCs - and so long as features (such as HT) aren't changed there should be no problems. Its just a different clock speed. Do people reinstall OSes every time they change overclocks?

- The correct chipset driver... I believe you mean the one that came on the motherboard installation CD and was for the intel chipset? I did but did not install the application accelerator. Maybe explain this further if you please could.

- Neverwinter nights is OpenGL and has the static (really annoying in the toolset). Dungeon Keeper 2 is direct3D version 6 or 7 and has static. Mageslayer is D3d version 4? w/ static, Sacrifice is D3D version 6 or 7? I believe and has static, Startopia is D3D 6-7ish? and has static.. Ut2004 does not, Ut2003 does not, Warcraft 3 doesn't onders: Sims2 doesn't have any... its really odd.

Now that my battery just went I'm about to chuck this thing at the wall. I can already hear the cash register sounding for the money they'll be asking to replace my bruised screen... Such poor manufacturing its a shame. I'll test some more games when I have the time. I figure by Christmas I'll finally have the time and ability to package it up and send it in for a full RMA to fix the multitude of problems I've been having with it. Just want the GPU replaced if this is something wrong with it too.
post #7 of 9
CoH, has a known issue with ATI unfortunely(It may have been fixed, Dunno), what are the GPU clock speeds?
post #8 of 9
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The clock speeds are default (344.25 core, and 243 memory. Pure stock just like it arrived.) I have tried downclocking it to 300/200 and the texture problems in CoH are gone. Forgot to mention that above. Quite disappointing as I can't imagine why the normal clock speeds would be giving me troubles. I've run CoH on 2 desktop ATI cards, a 9700 and a 9500 without this problem on either machine with any drivers. Now..flashing buildings and blue nights..yeah I can say I've seen those. But I played CoH on this laptop for a month without this texture corruption.. now I can't get away from it :/
post #9 of 9
I wonder if upgrading the BIOS to the latest version and then installing latest video drivers might help. As we all know there was that video overlay issue with the 5680 and hte latest ATI/Omega Drivers. Can't really hurt to try can it? I know it made games AND video run at least twice at smoothly on my D500p
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