Buy 3790 or wait for PCI-Express? - Page 3

Thank god..and I will be first to post benchmarks and tons of pic's

Look, Noone is talking about why PCI-e is XXXXXXXXX times better then AGP, what everyone is talking about is "Should I wait for PCI-e" and the answer is YES!, WHY? because by the current rumor, leaked info and any SAID roadmaps of the GPU future is that they will be build for the PCI-e bus format. SO even if the BUS provide no gain over AGP the GPU it self will improve, BUT it will only improve base on the PCI-e design with current info know to the public. WILL you say that PCI-e is not something worth waiting for with it being the bus with room to grow? NOT for the BUS BW but for the better version of the GPU. nobody cares what the speed / BW pci-e has over agp, what everyone cares is which bus will they able to get the better GPU on. AND as of now nothing shows that if a better version GPU will be released after the MR9800 which makes MR9800 the last of AGP GPU.

so do you buy AGP or wait for PCI-e? ignore the bus speed, think about your GPU options.

OH! just incase if the GPU is design on PCI-e bus it "CAN" be made to fit in the "AGP" bus but you have to ADD a "BRIDGE CHIP" and in reverse, which will bring up the COST of the total solution. so maybe if there are some CRAZY company out there that will build a AGP BUS system at this time, then spend the extra cost to fit the PCI-e GPU on their system. selling it for xxx amount more then the normal PCI-e system. Please to be supporting that company, so they don't end up like Go-L.

ya know you act like once pcie is out its going to be the only thing available and the trust is it isnt. Not only will pcie not be in the majority of compputers for atleast the next several yeears but all the rest of us agp users will still ahve upgrade options. jsut look at original pci. you can still buy pci cards or agp cards. anyways if ya really really care about go ahead and wait.

also i dont think some company would be "crazy" to make an AGP conected card when currrently thats what everyone has. because you know most people dont buy a new top of the lin computer every few years.

I get this strange feeling that KyleK is talking about desktops and everyone else here is talking about laptops...

AGP has never really been upgradable in laptops, and as it stands now, MR9800 is going to be the last mobile agp graphics card anyone's ever going to make. So if you want your laptop to last more than a year with playing the latest games, you probably want to wait for a pci-e laptop.

FOR REAL, you keep asking people to go read, do you not read?

AS of RIGHT NOW! all the leak MOBILE AKA LAPTOP/NOTEBOOK GPU road maps shows ONLY PCI-e chips coming ZERO AGP chips.

ATI:
M11 (MR9700) AGP 4 pixel pipeline (released now)
M18 (MR9800) AGP 8 pixel pipeline (released now)
M24 (MRX600) PCI-e 4 pixel pipeline (released now)
M26 (MRXunkonw) PCI-e 8 pixel pipeline (coming soon)
M28 (MRXUnknow) PCI-e 12 pixel pipeline (coming soon)
M28 Pro (MRXunknow) PCI-e 16 pixel pipeline (coming soon)

Nvidia:
M43m (6600/6700)? PCI-e 8 pixel pipeline (coming soon)
M41m (6800) PCI-e 12 pixel pipeline (coming soon)
no info on ANY AGP version or if there will be a ULTRA one with 16 pipeline yet.

so please go find us some info on any next GEN AGP chip for the laptop before you make a reply

everything i have listed can be found on google or the review sites.

ok for oen thing i am talkinga bout desktops, notebook i ordered is first sincea ten year old mac. Anyways if you go look at a local bestbuy or whatever they have the same cards in pci and agp. companies only list them as agp because that is the better one. I dunno. if laptops all taht different ill just stop talking. It doesnt make a difference to me anways.

Ummm the thread header does say 3790 or wait for PCIE.. We are in a laptop forum...Desktops have far more options then laptops. He wants to know 3790 or wait for a PCIE version. We are telling him that the 9700 basically is probably end of the line for the 3790 as Sager has said none of its current models would get upgrades. This..in a sense already makes it obsolete... no offense to any that has one but you know what I mean in this funny world of laptops and pc parts..

Now you're making sense.

About time :P

Synergi, i agree with you. But i dont think it means that anyone who wants a slim notebook that can game and hang in there for a bit should not get a 3790. I dont think we will see PCIE in any small notebooks for at least 9 months.

No I agree with you.. I said in a earlier post it would probably be a 6-9 month wait. The 9700 is not a slouch..it is still a good card.. the arguement was his statement that PCIE would show no improvement over what's out now. And then of course the confusion over what pixel pipelines means. If I were going for a centrino i'd get the 3790 but since im going for a DTR I am going with something i'll be able to upgrade in the future.

We like to make sure you have the real facts is all :P

youre so full of shit. i wasnt confused they were just arguing something different than i was for some reason.

you know i read my past posts and i realized i used words that are interchangable with what you guys were arguing. thats why. o well

This is your downfall:

Prior to this post, everyone was talking about laptops. Here in this post, you suddenly switched to talking about desktops. Yet no where did you explicitly stated so. Therefore, your statement can be seen as applying to laptops, which then is false. After this post, all of your arguments fail to make sense because you began to talk about a completely different topic - without ever stating that you had changed the topic.

Most of us stated laptop through out our various posts so im not sure how he could have thought we were speaking of desktops.. It doesn't matter..he's been educated now

Ha..almost forgot you said this.

Guess it wasn't the ambiguous language after all. You just don't know the facts.
In conclusion, this argument arose as a result of:
Kylek's inability to differentiate between PCIe lanes and pixel pipelines.
Kylek's inability to differentiate between notebook graphics and desktop graphics.

mixed up words. and i havnt delt with notebooks before i jsut assumed same as desktops. whatever no biggie

Let's Make a Different Deal. Shall We?

Ok, first, a Pen-M chip and PCI-e would be ok, but Nvidia has developed new nForce4 MOBOS for desktops and lappys, so I would get one with that MOBO. And the nice thing is, this MOBO is for AMD64-m chips, which run on low energy
Also, Nvidia has a rumored 6700 GT-m for notebooks (PCI-e) that is supposed to be kick a$$. So, personally, I would wait. Go to Nvidia's site http://www.nvidia.com for more detail on nForce4, and visit AMD www.AMD.com if you need some comparisons of Pen-M and AMD-m. This MOBO should be available near the end of November, so have fun with this one, it promises to be quite a site (20 BROAD PCI-E CHANNELS!!!!)Have a nice day