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post #61 of 328
I'm having the exact same problems with my 5105-S501. It's basically holding my laptop hostage. I really need a replacement video card. If you can get one for the S501, please message me.

I almost don't want to fix it because I know the replacement might be suffering the same as my card. Also, the card is likely to break down again because of poor design. The fan program is a poor solution to a crappy problem.

There needs to be a lawsuit against Toshiba. I WILL join!!!

Andrew
post #62 of 328
They are for sale from time to time on eBay. It looks to me like this item is the one, but no part number is listed.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW
post #63 of 328
I've read it all, and yes I'm another one. I bought my 5105-s607 in the US in 2002, but i live in New Zealand. Damn expensive computer, really impressive for a while. Out-performed everything everywhere. Awesome huge screen. I've been putting up with the dodgy power supply connection for a while. And the DVD player has its good and bad days. But now this!! Out of nowhere - vertical freeze jailbar kaleidoscope freakout! then switch to 640x480 4bit Woah! step away from the machine.

I've updated BIOS from the Toshiba site, reinstalled the working nvidia driver. No joy. And then i read this! So it looks like I get 3 years out of it, then it just stops working. At the exact same time as loads of other people go through the same trauma. Are we all victims of built-in obsolescence? The damn things seem to have been designed to fail with impressive consistency.

I take care of this computer, and shouldn't have to accept that it is irretrievably damaged. Damaged, not because of any misuse or neglect, but because the product is flawed.

I want a replacement, dammit.
Delivered.
post #64 of 328
Hell o from me to this sad company.

Owner of a 5105-S607 i've bought from US and now is lying on a service table in Greek Toshiba Support lab.
I will not say many things you said them all. High temps, problems with thw hd before 8 months and finally this.
Dual boot system and the only thing i can see is the console without any X of course on Linux only.
I think is not only designing problem. I think in Toshiba they knew it. So many not even similar but same problems to so many people at the same time? I don't think is a quincidence.
Anyway tommorow i will have news from Toshiba support and i will tell you if i find something more.

The point is that i am start thinking what to do with my S607. Propably i will use it as a server and maybe i will connect old pc running XDMCP. Actually this was the solution i thought before i'd sent it for repair.
Any suggestions for the next laptop? Personally i am close to buy a Fujitsu-Siemens Lifebook or a Celsius if i'll find the money. What do you think?
post #65 of 328
You guys can add me to the list too. I have 5105-S501 with the 32MB video card. The laptop crapped out at exactly the 2.5 year mark, which was this past febuary. I was playing a game (Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds) and all of a sudden the OS freezes, downgrades to a 4 bit rendered desktop with vertical lines everywhere. I did a fresh reinstall of the original software, same problem.

I have a 3 year Best Buy extended warrenty, where I bought it. I brought it in to those wonderful Geek Squad guys (I'm being sarcastic), and they sent it out for service. It came back recently with a brand new LCD. It worked great....for 2 days. I was jiggling the screen around a bit trying to plug in my RJ 45 cable and the same shit starts happening again.

I bring it back to Best Buy and they send it out once again. Its on its way back to me now (should get it in 2 or 3 days), the service rep told me on the phone that "they replaced the video card." When I get it back I'll take a look and see what they did and keep you guys posted on if whatever they did fixes it.

But WOW, I had NO IDEA that there were so many other people with the same problem. Doesn't bring my laptop back, but its nice to know I'm not alone.
post #66 of 328
And still more people arrive...
Oh how i wish I had Best Buy coverage. I bought it from one, but when i explained how i was returning to New Zealand and asked if i would be covered there, i got the beavis and butthead vacant stare. "what state is new zealand in?"

Nevertheless, the computer is still stuffed, Toshiba NZ basically told me to enjoy my new paper weight.

So to those of you who have managed to repair your one from the bad batch, congratulations, enjoy. I'm going to have to build myself a desktop pc now. Toshiba can kiss my ass. My best option so far with the laptop is to take it out to the backyard and smash it to smithereens to the soundtrack of 'straight outta compton'

Let me know if there's a petition or revolution
post #67 of 328

Update after a month

Hello Friends,

I'm reporting back after about a month with an update on my laptop. But first, I really want to commend Richk who continues to help us out in this forum. So, I have not had much success finding a source of a video card willing to ship internationally. However, after not having used my laptop for about a week, as I was away, I am pleasantly surprised to notice that the display corruption has not recurred for many days now. In my previous posts you can read specific details as to when and what kind of problems I had.

Though I'm sure that the problem will return in a few days, my best guess, following Richk's theory of cracks on the video card, is that during the week off, my computer was relatively cool for an extended period of time and this has temporarily contracted any cracks if they were ever present. Right now, I'm refraining from using my laptop for extended hours.

Stanley, I've been having problems with the adaptor connector tip as well, and just today I managed to get a new connector tip which works perfectly with my generic laptop adaptor.

Finally, a note of caution to those of you who are heavy users of the touchpad like myself. The middle button just popped off yesterday, and though its still usable, its not going to last long in my case.

I had noticed that someone else had mentioned at some point that the display corruption problem had not recurred for a while for him. If that's the case, then mine would be a second such incident. And perhaps some hope that the same might happen for some of you as well.

Good Luck,

Vij
post #68 of 328
I took my laptop apart (email me for for tips tho it was fairly straight forward). I have very little knowledge when it comes to laptop hardware but I could see nothing obviously wrong, there wasn't even any evidence of overheating.
My laptop is also currently distortion free, as long as I don't tax the card. Web-browsing, word processing etc etc are all fine, but as soon as I load a game the distortion kicks in and if I'm lucky windows ramps the resolution/colours down then gives me the "nview_4[orwhatever they're called] driver has stopped responding.." message. If I'm unlucky the system hangs.
Strangely the distortion seemed different after putting the laptop together again - areas of the screen went completely black and entire textures disappeared. The distortion in games has now gone back to the way it was however
post #69 of 328
Of course as soon as I go on a forum and say it's working it stops working:\ it's the nv4_dsp driver (I think)
post #70 of 328
Toshiba has had a class action law suit brought against them before for their laptop screens on other models. Something called the "flicker effect". The consumers won and Toshiba had to hold a recall and pay those customers. Unfortunately the 5105 series satellite was not a model included in that settlement. But I am VERY surprised that no legal action was taken for our model of laptops.

I wonder if a laptop company that actually stands by their product's quality really exists at all. Its too bad Dell outsourced all their company support to India, they used to have such a good reputation and they have great coupons. Oh well.
post #71 of 328
so they have... here's the link:

http://www.lieffcabraser.com/notebook-flicker.htm

no satellite 5105s in the list though. Stink
post #72 of 328
I am sorry to find out that I am a member of your club. Here's my info as well, in case we all get a chance to work together on a solution:

I bought my 5105-S607 in July, 2002 (a little more than two and a half years ago.)

Video started acting up yesterday, just like all of you seem to have experienced. (Garbage characters, then locks up, followed sometimes by a memory dump to disk, or a windows critical error and shutdown.)

This is day 2 of the problem, and I'm having pretty good luck using only an external monitor. If I use the LCD, the problem usually occurs within about 20 to 30 minutes.

good luck to us all.
Brian
post #73 of 328
Clearly Toshiba knew about this problem before the product was released. Why else would the video card be underclocked? (Engine 199, memory 440 - should be 220,440) Seems like a clear case of planned obsolesence. A laptop designed to fail just after most of the warranties run out.

Jeff
post #74 of 328

UPDATE on my 5105

Okay, yesterday I got the 5105 back from service from Best Buy for the video problems. The service order said "replaced video card, unit tested and working properly, strongly recommed full system restore."

Here's what I find when I start it. Starts up fine and loads windows with no video corruption. HOWEVER, if you shake the screen or press the keyboard where the video card is located the screen lamp just shuts off. The only way to bring it back is to press the button that gets depressed when the screen closes. Only when it is released is when the screen comes back on.

I might have been able to live with that, however the laptop had a more pressing issue when it came back from service this time. After noticing it was really slow in loading I check out the "system" display, which read "128 MB of RAM"....WTF?!? I know for a fact that this thing came with 512 MB standard. So I open it up to find out that there is a single 128 MB DIMM sitting in a single slot....therefore, SOMEONE JACKED MY RAM while it was out at service.

Long story short, brought it back to best buy, they were cool about it, and I had enough services to warrent a lemon. So they offered me a new "equivalent" laptop (that DOES NOT mean same price, they mean by specs), HOWEVER they geek squad guy was very cool and I was able to suggest my way to a Satellite P35-S611 (which was $800 more than the gateway they first wanted me to exchange with).

Well, my troubles are over, finally. I wish I had better news for you guys, but my solution came from junking the 5105 and getting a new laptop. Good luck with your repairs guys. And whoever said that the extended warrenty is a waste is way too optimistic. My extended warrenty paid for about $1500 worth of serivce PLUS a new $1800 laptop. Not bad for a $300 piece of paper.
post #75 of 328
I hate it when people flame a company because they don't "jump" when someone screams... Toshiba makes some of the best laptops that can be found, and they actually build many of them themselves, while almost all other companies (such as Dell, Gateway, Voodoo, etc)l don't even build their own laptops at all. There are hundereds of parts inside a laptop, most of them custom-built for that very laptop model. If a company starts recalling every laptop model that a person claims is showning a known problem(such as 100 people that ruined their some-what inadequately built video cards, such as the guy that I purchased the 5105 from, while most standard users with the same card have no problem), then that company would be spending a much larger portion of it's time and money just "maintaining". Everyone would still be complaining that their laptops had to be shipped out for several weeks for preventative maintenance, and laptop prices would go up significantly. Many of these problems don't show up for one to two years down the road, and surely no-one would expect a company to field-test a new laptop for a year or more before they release it to the public. So where does that leave us? If you want a laptop that will almost definitely last for 3-5 years everytime, then you could go buy a Panasonic Toughbook for $5000. If your video card goes bad within the amount of time that Toshiba guarantees that your laptop will work for, then they will fix it. If the laptop is not properly repaired, then that is a problem with the service department, which is a problem with most companies, not just Toshiba. If you video card fails after your guarantee has expired, then you shouldn't expect Toshiba to fix it for free, as they had no better way of knowing if that video card was going to fail after two years than you or I did.... If Ford found out that they had starters that went out for 1 percent of the owners a year after their warantee expires everytime, they are not going to offer free repairs for customers after the warantee runs out, because some parts will fail after a given period of time, and that is the purpose of the limited warantee.....

Now having said that, the original cards do not like an excessive amount of heat or vibration after they get a little older, and this is compounded by too much physical tweaking or motion, or playing graphics intensive video games. The video processor is rated to run at it's manufacturer-claimed speed when using a heatsink of the type specified by the manufacturer. This does not mean that the part cannot be used for other purposes in the absence of a heat sink. In fact, the same procedure has been used for years when using desktop processors in laptops, or mini-desktop systems. It is easy for someone so install non-Toshiiba Geforce drivers on their system allowing for custom clockrates that can quickly destroy a GPU, and the card that I had to replace had that very thing done to it to destroy it by the person that I bought it from. If you change hardware parameters of your system, you should only do so if you know that just because an electronic component has a specific rating doesn't necessarily mean that is how the engineer designed it into the circuit. If you can find a replacement part from Toshiba, then "suck it up" and spend the $100 dollars for the new design board(unless Toshiba deny's your trade-in, because you clocked up your chip), and go on enjoying a still very superior laptop. The new board is much beefier than the old one, and I would expect no problems from it. It is still working well here after two weeks.....

Hitek

PS- Fujitsu, though, is also a very good brand, that also makes some of their own laptops....
post #76 of 328
Just wanted to say a few things. I have a toshiba 5105-s607. It has the same problem as the ones described here. I will try to fix it and I am sure I will, since I am very resourceful. I will be posting up my progress and give a few advices.

1. First of all, it is logic that the first thing that comes to mind is that the graphics card is not working properly. Even a normal person like me can tell that. The computer is affected everytime windows is loaded, meaning that the graphics card cannot hold a great amount of memory in it to display the right graphics.

2. The nvidia geforce4 440 go 32mb cannot be found anywhere. The graphics card is not available because it is obsolute with the new technologies that nvidia and ati are creating. The competition in the graphics cards is huge and once the 64mb graphics that nvidia released in 2002, (3 years is a long time when the computer technologies are exponentially growing) the 32mb cards almost dissappeared in the market. The lack of availability of this card IS NOT because they found out that it had flaws in it.

3. Hitek is right in one thing, every machine has its own lifetime. No company will give you a long warranty. If a machine warranty is 2 years, you should not expect it to last you for 5 years. If it does, then you are lucky. Machines are not flawless, theyll never be. If you can get something in a lawsuit, it would be great, but I highly doubt it. There is not enough proof that they did it on purpose, and the graphics card has lasted about 2 years, which is probably its lifetime.

Well, I am going to make an autopsy to this laptop next weekend. I will keep you posted if I have any luck.
post #77 of 328
I'm almost absolutely positive that a 64MB card will work in a machine that originally came with a 32MB card.... That post by the other person that tried it here probably just bought a bad card on eBay, and that was actually the reason why it did not work. Worst case scenario, the card would only be detected as a 32MB card, but would still work just fine......

Hitek
post #78 of 328
I was the one who bought the 64MB card and I cannot say for sure if you are right or wrong. What I can say is that the card was detected OK, but when I started up the screens that were character based (put up by BIOS routines at startup) had every other character appearing. I thought that might be the way a working 64MB card would work with video routines expecting only a 32mb card. Without disassembling the video routines, there is no way to tell how the 2 cards store their data. Since I was able to find (finally) a 32MB card, I didn't care.
post #79 of 328

Reasonable Frustration

I do not doubt the genius of Toshiba in most of their products, especially notebooks.
However, I do not believe we should expect less from such a company when it comes to supporting a fine performer like a Satellite 5101 (and others).

I just hope that soon Toshiba will make the intentions known -- or at least the intentions of the video card supplier. If you read through the posts, most are willing to pay for a "better" card.

All I have heard so far is the discussion of "I did or didn't pay the extra $300 for the extended warrenty" or "Maybe I can find a video card from a busted one..."


It is reasonable to expect to hear from someone with a little authority:

Either we will be able to buy a usable revised geForcexx (in the case of the Satellite 5101-S501) or we can just gather up the notebooks, tiny little ribbon cables, keyboards, pushbutton bezels, sketches showing where all the little screws go, and sack it all in a garbage bag and forget about it.

It appears that you assume that many of us who happened to find this forum are of the type that soup up notebooks maybe to play games
and are probably guilty of notebook abuse -- and are deserving of having $2200 doorstops.

I did not abuse mine. I had enough confidence in Toshibas that for my past four Toshiba notebooks (including the 5101) I saw no purpose
in the extended insurance (I still have a Toshiba 1200 that I bought in the 80's -- works fine).

This one particular thread has gone on for many months. Isn't it understandable how it gets to the point where some might utter some discontent?

I don't think flaming the company is the intention here. We all had some regard for the company to begin with else we would not own their product.

Just like your Ford starter analogy, we don't expect a free starter; we would buy a starter from Bosch or anyone rather than send our new Ford to the scrapyard. We are just asking for a way to get these notebooks running again.

Best Regards,

Mark
post #80 of 328
RichK - Oh, yea, it was you... The thing is, the behaviour that you are describing could be caused by two things: one or more bits of the memory's address bus has a fault in a trace, solder connection, or via, or(because the wrong card is being used) the GPU is trying to store data in RAM that it thinks should be there, but is not. Although that could happen from using the wrong card, it would happen from trying to use 32MB of RAM when 64MB was really expected, not the other way around, and only if the two banks of RAM were, for some strange reason, partitioned by odd and even memory location. Since the 64MB cards are apparently easier to get than the 32MB card, and the 64MB card is not that expensive(relatively speaking), I think it is worth a try.

Mark - I understand what you are saying. I am disappointed and upset myself that this happens, but I don't blame Toshiba for it, and that was my point....



Maybe Toshiba continued production of the 64MB card because they knew at the time that it was a replacement for the 32MB card, but they just "forgot" to tell anyone about it after the fact. If the 64MB replacement works, then it also becomes a bonus "upgrade", which in not something normally possible in most laptops....

Hitek
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