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Sager 9860 review

post #1 of 471
11/8/04 at 11:07am
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Here:
http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=49132
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post #2 of 471
11/8/04 at 11:08am
on first glance...wow
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post #3 of 471
11/8/04 at 11:12am
Absolutely!!! now that's a review!!! WOOT WOOT!

hehehe ... k, I'm gonna go read it now ...
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post #4 of 471
11/8/04 at 11:21am
A couple of surprising results:
The doom3 benchmark was quite surprising in that the 6800go beat out the ultra
ata vs sata was also a surprise.

The notebook temp and notebook noise tests were one of the best additions to this review. I don't think I've seen it done elsewhere. Very nice!
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post #5 of 471
11/8/04 at 11:30am
Whoa.
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post #6 of 471
11/8/04 at 11:31am
I want!!! Will it ever come out with AMD?
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post #7 of 471
11/8/04 at 11:37am
Finally Sager gets some props!:
http://www.nvidia.com/page/home

Wahoo!
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post #8 of 471
11/8/04 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by Luke@PCTorque
Finally Sager gets some props!:
http://www.nvidia.com/page/home

Wahoo!
sweet!
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post #9 of 471
11/8/04 at 11:41am
Awesome! Great review. Wow, 9004 in 3DMark03 (overclocked)!
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post #10 of 471
11/8/04 at 12:03pm
Great review. Forgive me for being confused, but this quote:

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PCI-Express 16x and able to be swapped. Removing four screws allows you remove the panel and removing four more screws allows you to take out the GPU heatsink by simply pulling straight up on it. The heatsink is expected to work with other GPUs, and ATI is also working to represent along with future NVIDIA and ATI GPUs.
What does this mean exactly? More specifically, the point I'm trying to get at is whether or not MXM is being used here, and if I buy the 9860 as it is available now, will I only be able to upgrade to later NVIDIA releases, or is it gonna be compatible with ATI releases also?

And I was just readin up at anandtech about the 450/600 version of the Go 6800 and was wondering when that would be available?
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post #11 of 471
11/8/04 at 12:10pm
holy crap! amazing review and amazing notebook!
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post #12 of 471
11/8/04 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by knightofdarknes
Great review. Forgive me for being confused, but this quote:



What does this mean exactly? More specifically, the point I'm trying to get at is whether or not MXM is being used here, and if I buy the 9860 as it is available now, will I only be able to upgrade to later NVIDIA releases, or is it gonna be compatible with ATI releases also?

And I was just readin up at anandtech about the 450/600 version of the Go 6800 and was wondering when that would be available?
Sager/Clevo used their own technology, not MXM or AXIOM, but a hybrid. It will allow for upgrades to either ATI or NVIDIA.
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post #13 of 471
11/8/04 at 12:13pm
Very impressive result -- definitely a powerful notebook for hardcore gamer as well as professional.

Lugui
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post #14 of 471
11/8/04 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by Luke@PCTorque
Sager/Clevo used their own technology, not MXM or AXIOM, but a hybrid. It will allow for upgrades to either ATI or NVIDIA.
My understanding, then, is that ATI/Nvidia will have to make chips specifically for Sager/Clevo machine, which will differ from PCI-E interfaces that will be used in machines from other manufacturers. So, if the remaining manufacturers use a more standard, common interface (say MXM or AXIOM) then it seems unlikely that ATI/Nvidia will continue to make newer chips to specifically fit the Sager machines when the vast majority of machines out there will be using a different technology.

Does that make sense to anybody? Are my fears completely unfounded? I'm just worried that, while technically upgradeable, that no chip upgrades will actually be offered.
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post #15 of 471
11/8/04 at 12:27pm
I think he's saying that it's a modified version of MxM/AXIOM that's compatible with both MxM cards and AXIOM cards.
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post #16 of 471
11/8/04 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by McGuillicuddy
My understanding, then, is that ATI/Nvidia will have to make chips specifically for Sager/Clevo machine, which will differ from PCI-E interfaces that will be used in machines from other manufacturers. So, if the remaining manufacturers use a more standard, common interface (say MXM or AXIOM) then it seems unlikely that ATI/Nvidia will continue to make newer chips to specifically fit the Sager machines when the vast majority of machines out there will be using a different technology.

Does that make sense to anybody? Are my fears completely unfounded? I'm just worried that, while technically upgradeable, that no chip upgrades will actually be offered.
Don't worry your fears are unfounded. Sager/Clevo have prepared a long time for this and put alot of time and money into it. They are already testing some of the next gen cards that have retro fitted to this form factor. This was not a fly by night decision on any ones part. Upgrades will be offered for this notebook.
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post #17 of 471
11/8/04 at 12:31pm
The extremetech review also hints at a clevo based ATI solution.

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The results we got on the M28-based Clevo engineering sample are also impressive, but need to be taken with a grain of salt. This is a non-shipping notebook, and while the M28 can be clocked up to 400/400, we want to wait until we've got a shipping M28-based laptop from a system maker to see where the clocks wind up. To that end, we're currently working to secure two shipping notebooks with very similar CPUs and other system-level components, where one is equipped with M28 and the other has the GeForce Go 6800.
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post #18 of 471
11/8/04 at 12:32pm
Sager/PCTorque just owned everybody.
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post #19 of 471
11/8/04 at 12:37pm
Nice!
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post #20 of 471
11/8/04 at 12:40pm
If you have any spares in the future, I could use one. It would make a nice very early birthday present. I could even replace my desktop with it at home! I just hook it up to my other lcd monitor and dual screen gaming here I come!
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