Sager 9860 review - Page 11

I wouldn't necessarily count on that two weeks. We might see some reviews and such but availability is another matter. ATI's track record hasn't been the greatest and this announcement looks like it was simply designed to steal a little of NVidia's thunder as some review sites have mentioned.

Sager's Bluetooth will be internal. I do believe they're just short of that particular part. No worries on the external bit.

As for waiting for Alienware, what's to wait for? They've got their own version of the 9860. if you think having a fancy lid and a long waiting time are better, then I'm sure AW would be happy to have you. Otherwise, you're probably best with sticking w/ PCT. Just my 1/2 cent worth, anyway.

FriedToast, i realy happy to know that the bluetoothe will be internal, whre i hate external things. and i think you r write about the AW althgou I realy like thier design where Sager have sooo normal plain design. except the 5690 i realy like its shape. Also AW is the clone of the 9860 but have more fancy design and leds, I can't hid that i like these things.

but sorry that i coudn't understand :
"you're probably best with sticking w/ PCT. Just my 1/2 cent worth, anyway."
where i'm not good in english and apreviations

I am wondering why the clock speeds of the card were stock 250/600 when at Nvidia's site it lists the starting core speeds of 300/600 ???

Is this because of the Clevo hybrid tech. and not using the MXM tech. instead?

Does anyone know?

Thanks.

Sorry about that! I was saying that it would be best to buy from PCTorque.com, rather than Alienware, in my opinion.

I agree that the lid and LEDs are nice on the AW machines. However, I'm not convinced that the extra costs are worth it. Also, I know PCTorque's service is great. You can read more about them (and Alienware) at www.resellerratings.com (just search for the company names).

No matter which company you choose, I hope you get a good deal and have great service.

Does anyone know if the 80GB sata hd is the Hitachi E5K100 - 2.5" Hard Drive?

http://hi-techreviews.com/nuke/hitachi3/page1.htm

@ehabctc

Well, maybe you should make yourself one thing clear, all those branded resellers finally always resell one and the same base ODM barebone notebook, namely the Clevo D900T model. The resellers just rename that baby to something own sounding like:

- Sager 9860
- Alienware Area-51m 7700
- Voodoo envy M:790
- MV Ixius
- P17
- ...and so on...

...also non of these Clevo D900T resellers is really capable of designing and engineering something themselves, they are all more or less little companies, which don't produce anything hardware related themselves. They always all stick on preproduction Taiwan based manufactors and all they finally do is, assembling the initial barebones with the additional freely on the market available components (CPU, GPU, HDD etc. etc.). Additionally some of them often perform some color paintings and do glueing their own stickers onto the Clevo barebone notebook, that's basically all they do, nothing more or less. Well, Alienware of course also uses there different notebook-lid, since they have to follow their alieneyes theme, but otherwise there is nothing particular different on their sold barebones. - So mostly the only main optical differences here between all those reseller barebones is just that some of them are using different notebook colorings etc.!

But other much more important differences between all those barebone resellers are their pricings and their customer support. Here IMO Sager/PCTorque is offering in every category (price, service and support etc.) always the best value you can find.

Others like Alienware and Voodoo etc. are selling the same hardware stuff just in a slightly different colored modded fashion, for much more and very expensive in contrast here. So you would get from these maybe a yellow or alieneyes based Clevo D900T which costs >= $1000 more than a Sager, but in reality doesn't offer you anything more related to the underlayed hardware or end performance.

However, every one must know by himself, if some little color modding and a different brand sticker on the lid is worth an additional $xxxx just for optical design related show business issues!

Painted Laptops

Have you looked at the painting options from PC*Torque? They offer some really nice-looking paintjobs. Even with Chameleon paint and a high-gloss finish, it will end up costing you somewhat less than an AW. And it will look almost as good! Of course, this won't get you the fancy lid design or LED's...

If you haven't already, you might want to look at some of them in the pictures section.

Awaits confirmation email....

powerwav, I don't think the hybrid tech has nething to do with the slower clock speed. Adam ran the test at 340/680 and got great stability. Also, anandtech did their review of the Go 6800 using a Sager 9860, and they ran theirs at 300/600. So i doubt there are any issues with the technology. Sager prolly just underclocked (is that a word?) it to be conservative on the battery usage. I am sure u can easily run it at 300/600 or even 340/680 like Adam did.

What I'm worried about is if the darn thing is not gonna be upgradeable to the other DDR3-based Go 6800 with stock settings at 450/1200. Adam said he wasn't sure, but I'm keepin my fingers crossed. Especially if u think about it, the Go 6800 lost to the M28 by a small margin in most cases, so this other version could be Nvidia's trump card. ATI announces the M28, or whatever it will officially be called, and Nvidia releases the new Go 6800, or whatever it will be called, soon after. I really hope the higher power requirements and thermal issues don't cause problems in providing it as an option.

ehabctc, bro, I just wanna let u know a few things.

Aside from some of the cosmetic differences between the two brands, I just like to point out that the AW version doesn't have the option of a TV Tuner, nor does it have a built-in camera. And even if u add the TV Tuner option, I am sure the AW configuration with equal specs will still be higher priced than the Sager. Of course, a TV tuner and camera aren't the most important things to have in a notebook and probably not the most useful, but if ur talking about bang for the buck, I think its obvious what's the better choice. I mean, what's a cooler DTR to show off? One that has an alien's face engraved on its lid, or one that has a little digitial camera built in and a TV tuner with a remote control that gives u almost full utility of the computer from a remote location? I dunno about u, but I'd go the latter anyday over the former.

As for which Sager reseller to buy from, I say without a doubt that PCTorque gives u the best prices. Dude, I've been waiting three years to buy my next BIG notebook. In waiting to buy this baby, i've been through 4 computers already. I've learned a lot and found so many brands I never knew existed. And I can tell u hands down, that in the world of notebooks, I haven't seen anyone give as much power and as many features as Sager. And PCTorque gives the best deals when it comes to buying a Sager product. If u don't believe me, just configure a 9860 at powernotebooks.com and see for urself. Powernotebooks.com is probably the ONLY other Sager reseller that is in the same league at PCTorque. I garuntee PCT will be cheaper. I know Power Notebooks is rated a bit higher in the reseller ratings, but for a cheaper deal, I'm still getting service from one of the best stores online - its just not THE best like powernotebooks.com.

Ofcourse, preference is always an issue and someone may actually prefer the alien over the digital camera. And if ur real paranoid over dead pixels, then neither AW nor Sager are not the best options. Hypersonic actually has an option in their EX7 configurator that garauntees no dead pixels. It'll cost you an extra 100 bucks. But that assurance is very important to some.

In the end though, this is all just my opinion, my two cents if u will. Everyone should decide on their own what they feel suits their needs the best. So, having said that, I hope ur able to actually get the best deal for urself. Good luck.

New go 6800

When will the new go 6800 450/1200 be releases?at the end of this year or begining of next?

K, I've never overclocked a card before...So, for us overclocking neophytes. Is there a reason why overclocking the NVIDIA card would suddenly make it better than the M28? Can't ATI cards be overclocked as well?

Heheh yes, but what wickerman is talking about is that there are actually 2 versions of the 6800 go, I can't remember exactly at what they clock at. However one is significantly faster than the other. Currently we've got the lesser of the two

Wickerman: I'm not sure when the new one will be released. Adam said the most he heard were rumors about a new chip. He didn't have any dates. Anandtech just mentioned the chip but didn't give any dates. My guess would be soon though, because the M28 is coming. And rumor has it that both IHV's have got 16 pipline mobile parts in line for release in H1 of '05. So it'd make sense to have the 12 pipeline out soon. Ofcourse this is all speculation and take it with a grain of salt. There's no certainty in the graphics hardware industry these days.

pplpiew: I'm sure the M28 can be overclocked, but there's two things to think about. First, this generation, Nvidia's architecture seems to show a greater range of overclockability, as compared to the ATI alternatives. So, assuming u could overclock the M28, u could probably OC the go 6800 more. Secondly, as Karosse pointed out, there is another chip from Nvidia that is actually clocked straight out of the factory at 450/1200. That is a 150 MHz increase in core speed and a 600 MHz effective increase in memory speed. There's no way in hell that u can overclock the current GPU to that speed without a liquid cooling solution (and considering this is a notebook, that's very hard to do). Also, the M28 will really have a hard time catching up with a 50%/100% increase in core and memory speeds respectively. I'm certain that u won't be able to OC the M28 to nething of that level.

Ehabctc: Dude I stand corrected about the alienware. It does offer a digital cameria. I am not quite sure if it offers a TV tuner but it has a video In. I don't know it that means it has a TV tuner. But even knowing that, I still stand by my point of Sager's great value. And these options will come at a much cheaper price in the sager than in the alienware.

Meaning that the comp will never be able to fully use the card or ah, oh, I think I get it. You mean the current NVIDIA can't be overclocked to that, gotcha! Ok, by the time I'll be ready to buy it'll probably be out then, cool. It's good to not be in a hurry sometimes...

Hey, if I buy in Taiwan, is it possible to get Warrantech coverage in Canada? (I'm not suggesting to anyone to buy in Taiwan, I just happen to be here)

What surprised me about the alienware is that they don't seem to have SATA drives, only ATA...or did I miss something? Price wasn't outrageous though, I think it'd be cheaper than a PCT with a paint job, or at least comparable.

Well while all you guys argue over who's gpu is faster, and more over clockable..I'll just order and enjoy what it has to offer now.. once a 16 piper card is released, then i'll upgrade..what is the big issue? It runs everything now as it is heh..

Great friends, great help, Big decisoin with some waiting

Mr. FriedToast, thanks for your explanation and you are right leds design less important compared to the price and the company service. One more thing, your signature shows your Sager 8790 configuraiotn and other things is that mean that it become so hot and you are just using it for word-processing.

Mr. krobotkin, I can't explain how your replay was so helpful, i was losting in these assembled noteboks for more than a month - to be honest its the first time i hear about them - to know what are they exactly, wondering that most brands are the same shape excpet for minorr things, and wasn't know who manufacture what and who sell what, but your replay was so clear and strait specail that i didn' tknow what this model equevelent to Clevo although long search, and again you are right for optical things to the price . So.... great thank to youuuu.

Mr. LeFisch050, yes dear i check the painting things althgou its not clear and didn't know how the notebook will looks like also it will rais the price near to AW for some paintjobs and also as you said ....without LEDs

Mr. knightofdarknes, you give me attention to a very important thing that AW don't have built in cam neither TV-Tuner which are important to me speacilly that i don't like externl things as i mentioned before, and the answaer to your qustion for optical things related to Cam and tuner... you are right and I don't need to think even. The rest of your talk can't describe it here where it wont fit. but just three words.. experince... balance... and most important, HONEST..... am i spell it right.

After that I think the answear is clear now, SAGER , I realy so apreciate your help and your time... So i just will wait to December to get the internal Bluetooth, dreaming with ZERO HALLIBURTON alumenium case which unfortionaltly I have to get it separtly which will cost more shipping, also , hope that the new display cards (which some call it GPU as i think which I don't konw what it stands for) with higher speed and more fram rates.... althou i'm not a gamer at all ... and won't make any difference to me ... but you know... human is always greeeeeedy.
Thanks for all dear firends.

Mr. knightofdarknes, I have just read your correction ... its ok and thanks for your try.

I dont have much experience with oc'ing but guys who do claim that the 6800 can take far more tweaking than the ATI's because its a 0.13 process that favours oc'ing. Dont forget though that cooling possibilities inside a laptop are very limited, so dont expect the crazy clockings we've seen by guys playing with 6800 GT's and Ultras

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