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post #81 of 471
11/8/04 at 5:59pm
or maybe we could ask Intel directly if the 915P chipset will be compatible with future EM64T CPUs..

but anyway the AMD64 seems to be (very?) less heavy in power consumption, right ?

thx
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post #82 of 471
11/8/04 at 6:00pm
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Originally Posted by asterix
Does it come with both the SATA interface and the PATA interface brackets?
No, just the bracket for the hard drive you ordered.

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Originally Posted by INTP
One more thing: how does the 9860 perform in Far Cry at its native resolution without antialising or anisotropic filtering? Does it maintain framerates above 30 fps for most gunfights?
Yes, easily over 30FPS at all times from my experience@ native.


PULS, I'd love to see an AMD64 version of this notebook to play both sides of the crowd (AMD/Intel). I think it's more up to AMD than it is Clevo to pull through and make it happen while keeping the same performance level the 9860 already has. I haven't even heard a rumor or guess as to when it will happen.

XCLAUDE, yes, as said above the batt tests are in the review. We got 1 hour and 6 minutes if I remember right in the DVD playback.
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post #83 of 471
11/8/04 at 6:06pm

PATA vs. SATA

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Originally Posted by G-Omaha
The tests and the results are as I would expect when unequal drives are compared. A more comprehensive test would be to test dual 60 GB 5,400rpm SATA drives to dual 60 GB 7,200rpms PATA drives. The increased arial density of the 80 GB drives reduces the transfer rate associated with the drive (regardless of the spindle speeds - rpm). So - is the SATA RAID-0 really faster than the PATA RAID-0 WHEN BOTH DRIVE SIZES ARE THE SAME? I still think that the 5,400rpm units would be slower if the test were not biased by using a mismatched configuration.

How about another test on this comparing "Apples to Apples".
PATA: Two drives SHARE one controller. Only one drive can read or write at a time. It's not as efficient as a result.

SATA: One drive - One controller. Dedicated resources. Both can read and write at the same time. It's more efficient. Slightly faster throughput is the end result.

This is particularly important with RAID 0 (trying to read and write from two drives simultaneously), and is also one reason why SCSI has historically been used for RAID. (SCSI can read and write all components simultaneously. There are other reasons to use SCSI, but let's not go there, shall we? )

As a side note, and even though it's not asked here , the "only one drive has access" issue is why you should put your HDD on one PATA controller, and your ODD (CD/RW, DVD/RW, etc.) on the second PATA controller. One controller for each means they can both read and write simultaneously.
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post #84 of 471
11/8/04 at 6:06pm
Hope this isn't a repost.. if it is, I guess it's okay for those who missed it..

Some NVIDIA Go 6800 (Sager 9860) benchmarks from other sources:

http://www20.tomshardware.com/mobile...108/index.html
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post #85 of 471
11/8/04 at 6:12pm
Okay Adam

But what about the EM64T compat ? Anyone in the crowd has new info ? Maybe an Intel employee is wandering around here

see you
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post #86 of 471
11/8/04 at 6:28pm
Now only if it had a AMD in it... WOW it would be awesome
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post #87 of 471
11/8/04 at 6:35pm

SATA has no Master/Slave Shared Bus - Results in improved RAID-0 performance

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Originally Posted by LeFisch050
PATA: Two drives SHARE one controller. Only one drive can read or write at a time. It's not as efficient as a result.

SATA: One drive - One controller. Dedicated resources. Both can read and write at the same time. It's more efficient. Slightly faster throughput is the end result.

This is particularly important with RAID 0 (trying to read and write from two drives simultaneously), and is also one reason why SCSI has historically been used for RAID. (SCSI can read and write all components simultaneously. There are other reasons to use SCSI, but let's not go there, shall we? )

As a side note, and even though it's not asked here , the "only one drive has access" issue is why you should put your HDD on one PATA controller, and your ODD (CD/RW, DVD/RW, etc.) on the second PATA controller. One controller for each means they can both read and write simultaneously.
I see (also stand corrected), and have finally found the reference about this (Doh!) at: http://www.serialata.org/docs/serial...technology.pdf

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Ultra ATA – Master/Slave Shared Bus
Ultra ATA technology supports up to 2 drives per channel via a shared bus. Though the two attached devices are
referred to as “master” and “slave”, there is no difference in operation between or priority given to the connected devices.
The host bus adapter is the true bus master and uses the master/slave status of the drives to route requests to the correct
device and to determine the boot device. Though Ultra ATA supports a command queuing algorithm, it is rarely
incorporated into devices, and thus the data bus is locked if a command to either drive is outstanding. Because of this, the
bus bandwidth is shared between the master and slave devices when both are actively interacting with the host.
Serial ATA – Point to Point Connections for Dedicated Bandwidth
Serial ATA uses a point-to-point connection topology, meaning that each source is connected to one destination. Each
channel has the capability to work independently so that there is no contention between drives and thus no sharing of
interface bandwidth. This connection strategy also negates the need for master/slave jumper settings on devices.
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post #88 of 471
11/8/04 at 6:38pm
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Originally Posted by Adam@PCTorque
G-O, the point of the test was to find the fastest setup possible hard drive setup which we did hands down (80GB 5400rpm SATA RAID 0). I would have liked to also throw some 60Gb 5400rpm SATA drives, but I haven't had the time to yet with all the other benching. I would guess the SATA would still win, but I try to not speculate before I can actually see for sure. We ran many formats and tests including tests we didn't post to make sure it wasn't some fluke.

Comparing the 8790, it tested between the 4780 and the 5680 for temp tests. We ran some of the tests on the 8790 and was planning on adding it to the lineup it just never made it for some reason. I think some of its stats just weren't submitted in time when the graphs were done up.
It's the extra controller that makes the difference. I guess that there is really no need for the test that I originally indicated.
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post #89 of 471
11/8/04 at 7:00pm
My My, that is big!
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post #90 of 471
11/8/04 at 7:13pm
So I go make a deposit today at the bank..tell them I need it to count today..they say sorry, wont show up in your account til tomorrow at 5...which again does me know good because when you have your limit on your atm card raised..its good til 5..so I have to wait til wednesday..there goes my hope for getting it this week. So I might just wait til monday, risk a most certain back order..and order the works
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post #91 of 471
11/8/04 at 7:15pm
First: Very nice Review, thank you for your efforts !

So this time we have a notebook to be overclocked with just the risk to pay a new graphic card but not a new mainboard or even a whole new Laptop.

1) How difficult is it to change the graphic card ? Can anyone do that or is it risky ?
2) Do you have 6800s in stock ? How much to pay for this single card ?
3) When to expect the next card ? Will the M28 be availble for the 9860 ? Any idea how much to pay ?

I mean, this card is built for 450/600. That would be the clocks to reach and test.

Aaaah, I would like to order sooooo much, but I can not accept the screen... it must be WUXGA. Somehow I have the feeling, many things will happen now in short time - let me guess...

- Ati launches M28 - Sager launches M28 module (December)
- Nvidia launches 16PP 6800 (January)
- Ati launches 16PP M28 high end (February)
- Sager launches 5690 successor 6000 with eighter 16PP M28 or 16PP 6800go on highest clocks..... (March/April)

Oh my, oh my.... this is really a new step in notebook history. Amazing. Did you see that OC 6800go tops even Desktop X800XT in Doom3 ?????
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post #92 of 471
11/8/04 at 7:43pm
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I just tested the Xbox playing through the 9860 and it ran with no lag at all. We ran both using the coax input connector and the S-Video connector. Both ran great, but the COAX one through AverMedia had a little grainy look to it. The S-Video looked perfect and played perfectly. I put up pics in the review.

As for the MP3 recorded to DVD and playing through the front DJ Panel, we played with it a bit and haven't got it to work like that.
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post #93 of 471
11/8/04 at 8:05pm
My compliments Adam, you made a great Review (as always ). - Honour where honour belongs to!

Regards

Krobotkin
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post #94 of 471
11/8/04 at 8:12pm
OMG!! It's looks amazing. Shit, I still have my 5690 with 3 dead pixels on it. nooooooooooo. Is there a way to trade in my 5690 and get the 9860??
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post #95 of 471
11/8/04 at 8:22pm
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Originally Posted by Synergi
So I go make a deposit today at the bank..tell them I need it to count today..they say sorry, wont show up in your account til tomorrow at 5...which again does me know good because when you have your limit on your atm card raised..its good til 5..so I have to wait til wednesday..there goes my hope for getting it this week. So I might just wait til monday, risk a most certain back order..and order the works
Ah well Syn, at least you'll have your EQ2 to tide you over until next week, then you get to install it on your new lappy and it's like Christmas all over again

j3rd
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post #96 of 471
11/8/04 at 8:34pm
Just ordered mine. I have been putting off buying a laptop just because I knew this thing was coming out. Thanks to everyone on this board for helping me make my decision and PCtorque for a great review
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post #97 of 471
11/8/04 at 8:54pm
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Originally Posted by eRaideR
OMG!! It's looks amazing. Shit, I still have my 5690 with 3 dead pixels on it. nooooooooooo. Is there a way to trade in my 5690 and get the 9860??
There is a way. It's called eBay

And be glad you only have 3 dead pixels. My vidcard is FUBAR

Maybe someone'd like to trade a 9860 for a slightly used 8790?
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post #98 of 471
11/8/04 at 8:55pm
Placed my order as well... now to sit back and wait for the routing information for a wire transfer! Anyone know if there's usually a long delay for a bank to wire the money over?
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post #99 of 471
11/8/04 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by Adam@PCTorque
I just tested the Xbox playing through the 9860 and it ran with no lag at all. We ran both using the coax input connector and the S-Video connector. Both ran great, but the COAX one through AverMedia had a little grainy look to it. The S-Video looked perfect and played perfectly. I put up pics in the review.

As for the MP3 recorded to DVD and playing through the front DJ Panel, we played with it a bit and haven't got it to work like that.
Thank you so much about the xbox news
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post #100 of 471
11/8/04 at 9:19pm
If I order the SATA 60gig w/o a second drive installed. Can I use the HD from my viao as a secondary HD (non raid of course)

The vaio HD is a
Model Toshiba MK3018GAS
• Manufacturer Toshiba
• Capacity 30GB
• Interface ATA-5
• RPM 4200
• Summary Toshiba MK3018GAS: 30GB capacity Fluid Dynamic Bearing (FDB) motor drive 9.5mm High 12ms Average Seek Time ATA-5 Interface 100MB/sec Transfer Rate 2,048KB Buffer 300,000 MTTF Hours
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