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Sager 3790/intel Alviso chipset

post #1 of 12
11/11/04 at 6:06pm
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So Intel is going to release the Alviso chipset, previously set to be released this quarter, in Q1 2005, so within the next 5 months probably.

The Alviso chipset offers 533MHz FSB, PCI express, DDR2 and will accomodate the second set of Pentium-Ms coming out in Q1 2005, the 730,40,50,60 and 770.

Now am I right in thinking that notebooks coming out with these in 2005 will be in a much higher price range than the Sager 3790 currently is? With PCI express and DDR533, sounds to me like these will be high end systems fetching quite a price, considering the current rareness of pci express graphics cards and expensive price of DDR2-533.

Basically, my issue is buying a Sager 3790 now, or waiting for these to come out. However if the price will be outrageous, might as well settle for the 3790 now, and buy a new system in 2 years or so.

Thoughts?

sources: Endian.net, anandtech.com, hexus.net

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post #2 of 12
11/11/04 at 6:22pm
I guess it is up to what you think is outrageous...my guess since it can't use the high end DTR grapics card is no more then 300 higher considering what spec's you get..
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post #3 of 12
11/11/04 at 6:25pm
i'm also waiting for the alviso chipset and improved p-m performance. with that said i doubt there will be that much of a premium on it. yeah the ddr2 memory will be more expensive but the cost of the chipset itself i think would be about the same as the current 855s. also i think the new chips with 533fsb will cost about the same as their current mhz equivalent 400fsb chips. intel usually prices the new products the same as the old ones to get the market to adopt its latest greatest stuff faster. so basically i think the newer 3790s with 533fsb (if they come out at all) should cost about the same as the current ones.
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post #4 of 12
11/11/04 at 9:53pm
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I did some more research and this is what I've gathered.
Intel plans to eventually eliminate the need for DTRs. Basically the new chipset and Dothans are positioned to be the high end performance systems that will eventually replace the existing Pentium 4 notebooks out there. To be sure, Intel has said they will cease producing and developping the 'mobile' range of Celerons and P4s next year. From that point of view, the new notebooks sporting those chipsets and CPUs will probably price around what the existing performance P4s are, with current Dothans making up the value performance range. There will always be a small market for Dell XPS and Sager 9860 type notebooks though.. the practice of using desktop CPUs for those will most probably continue.

This leaves AMD in an interesting position. They are open to take over the DTR market if demand stays strong for DTR (apparently the demand for DTRs is very low in Asia - Taiwan, japan, etc.) or they must move to develop a CPU that can compete directly with the Pentium M in terms of battery life and low energy consumption.

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post #5 of 12
11/12/04 at 2:35am
Hrmmmm!!! maybe i should wait for this new chipset... hmm indeed.. i wanted m p-m to last me like 3-4 years (in a perfect world) for school!
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post #6 of 12
11/12/04 at 3:52am
i think if you can, it's definitely worth waiting for this. i would love to see the alviso w/2.13 ghz in a 17" screen package and dual hard drives with nvidia 6800go or ati equivilant. i think this system wouldn't be that much larger (thicker) than the dell 9200 and much smaller and lighter than the 9860. i think it would give the 9860 a run for it's money too.
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post #7 of 12
11/14/04 at 6:04am
if you wait, you will wait all your life for a better processor.
3-4 years fot a laptop?, there is so much change in technology, that you laptop start to be obsolete after 1 year. I have a 3790 1.7 dotan since 1-2 months, look what they have now? same model with a 2ghz dothan. If I have waited 1-2 more months, I could have purchased a faster laptop. if you want really a fast computer, wait year 2050. I can tell you you will have a fast computer, maybe 1000 time faster than my 3790. get your laptop now, ...
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post #8 of 12
11/14/04 at 11:28am
I hate to nitpick john, but you could have bought the 2ghz when you bought your 3790.

Having said that, I agree with everything else you just said.
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post #9 of 12
11/14/04 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by johnhamler
if you wait, you will wait all your life for a better processor.
3-4 years fot a laptop?, there is so much change in technology, that you laptop start to be obsolete after 1 year. I have a 3790 1.7 dotan since 1-2 months, look what they have now? same model with a 2ghz dothan. If I have waited 1-2 more months, I could have purchased a faster laptop. if you want really a fast computer, wait year 2050. I can tell you you will have a fast computer, maybe 1000 time faster than my 3790. get your laptop now, ...
whenever someone talks about waiting a few months for some particular tech or laptop to come out there's always at least one or two people who bring up the whole "waiting forever" bit and that new stuff is always coming out. i think there are definitely certain times when one should wait if they can. for the p-m this is definitely one of those times as the p-m will have a serious performance/feature boost in the next few months. even aside from the features mentioned at the beginning of this post, how often is there an upgrade to a computer's internal bus architecture (pci to pic-e)? anyway, after that the chipset/chip wont change too much for about 18 months according to the roadmaps where there will be slight mhz boots until the release of dual core chips.
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post #10 of 12
11/14/04 at 8:53pm
I also think that waiting is a good idea in this case. It's not like a desktop system where you can just swap out the motherboard in 6-12 months when PCI-e starts dropping in price. It makes sense to wait for the new tech to come out as it's only a few months, and if it has replaceable graphics it would be a huge bonus as opposed to just an increase of a few hundred mhz on the cpu.
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post #11 of 12
11/15/04 at 4:38am
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So much for waiting.. I just purchased the Dell Inspiron 9200 after I saw the 25% off coupon. I ended up paying $1550 for a 1.8MHz w/ 512mb ram.

Didn't see the use of spending an extra $170 (dell's price) to upgrade to a 2.0 mhz. Plus I paid $200 less than what I would have spent on a 3790.

All these weeks I've been researching the 3790, ABS mayhems, etc.. and I ended up buying a Dell. oh well. 17" WUXGA w/ 9700 128mb, Pentium M @ $1550 sold it for me. Only thing that sucks are the 4,200rpm HDs. Figure I'll get an external.

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post #12 of 12
11/15/04 at 12:20pm

lol..

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