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Athlon 64 3200 vs. 3400 (4750)

post #1 of 10
11/13/04 at 10:53am
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Well, I was looking at pctorque.com just now, and comparing prices between the Athlon 64 3200 and the 3400 for the 4750, since I remember reading somewhere that the 3200 can run stably at 1.4v, but normally at 1.5v, and the other DTRs run best at 1.5v. So imagine my surprise, when, comparing the two, I find that the 3400 is actually cheaper than the 3200. Even the 3000 is more expensive than the 3400. This is obviously some quirk of the supply+demand thing, but my question is this.

Is it worth the extra 96 dollars to downgrade in order to maybe... get a cooler/quiter system? Of course this question is bunk... if I have it wrong and the 3200 doesn't run well at 1.4v anyway, in which case, the 3400 is much better.

and also..

I'm thinking about the 9860 too, but I only started considering it afterl I saw that the 6800go actually has extremely high and comparable fps in games such as Doom3 versus desktops. So I'm wondering, for me, as a student, I occasionally game, but not too up-to-date games, and I might possibly be running Gentoo on the notebook. Therefore, I'm seeing if the 64-bit with 9700 would outweigh the 32-bit with 6800 for my purposes.

So if you decide to comment, as the size of this post might've scared some of you off , thanks a lot for your input.
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post #2 of 10
11/13/04 at 11:25pm
As far as i can tell, the 3400+ can run at 2.2ghz stable-ly at 1.325 volts. This greatly reduces the heat output of the machine. I would reccomend going for the 3400+. Though, you will need a program that can adjust the multipliers/voltages, like CrystalCPUID.

Go for the 3400+ you will like it alot. Check out the thread in the Sager Reviews section regarding voltages.
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post #3 of 10
11/13/04 at 11:46pm
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Oooh... Most excellent. Thanks, then I must have had some bad numbers. Well, if is it possible to run Linux on the 4750, and are there any hardware problems? Or should i get the 9860 since 64-bit might not come into play for a couple years...
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post #4 of 10
11/14/04 at 12:04am
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Originally Posted by linj
Oooh... Most excellent. Thanks, then I must have had some bad numbers. Well, if is it possible to run Linux on the 4750, and are there any hardware problems? Or should i get the 9860 since 64-bit might not come into play for a couple years...
As far as I have heard the only big problem with 64bit Linux is ATi Drivers, but they may have fixed that now.

Other Than that isnt it just a matter of recompiling source code of the software you're gonna use under Linux64?
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post #5 of 10
11/14/04 at 12:06am
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I suppose so... I've heard of problems with the network and connectivity and all that, but I guess most computers have similar problems anyway.
Hey, referring to your signature, there is such a computer, probably except you have to get the DVD writer as USB and dual 100gb HDD can also be USB... without raid, and probably sacrificing some speed.. (referring to 4750 here, but I think you know that)
So, does anyone believe that there's gonna be a sudden jump to 64-bit, or maybe should i stick with 9860, since the performance just blows me away.
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post #6 of 10
11/14/04 at 12:16am
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Originally Posted by linj
I suppose so... I've heard of problems with the network and connectivity and all that, but I guess most computers have similar problems anyway.
Hey, referring to your signature, there is such a computer, probably except you have to get the DVD writer as USB and dual 100gb HDD can also be USB... without raid, and probably sacrificing some speed.. (referring to 4750 here, but I think you know that)
So, does anyone believe that there's gonna be a sudden jump to 64-bit, or maybe should i stick with 9860, since the performance just blows me away.
Yeah I know, I can get all that cept I would have to pickup an external HD and no RAID 0. I want everything in the "box", so to speak.

What are you gonna use your laptop for? From what I've seen in benchmarks AMDs kickass in Scientific apps, games, servers, and mp3 encoding.

Although I probably shouldnt be answering as I dont even have a laptop (yet).
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post #7 of 10
11/14/04 at 12:21am
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Well, I guess everyone's opinion is helpful, but I did have a notebook once, and it was a hand-me-down from my dad. I've been using it sometimes only when I have to move around, and trust me, it was a bad experience (P3, 800mhz, a little bit of ram, can't remember, <256 MB).
I'll probably be using the notebook for games and scholarly pursuits, but I don't need long battery life and such, since I'll probably have a power source all the time.

Edit: I also need the notebook to last for some time, maybe 3-4 years without getting too obsolete...
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post #8 of 10
11/14/04 at 2:42am
ATI's linux drivers suck, thier windows drivers r just now getting better. I think that Adem said that the 9860 should support intels 64-bit CPU when it comes out. Plus u can upgrade the GPU in the 9860, so it last u alot longer (dont need to upgrade whole laptop, only GPU). So the only reason that i wouldnt get the 9860 is because it has a P-4 instead of an AMD prrocessor, that i just bought my 8790 not to long ago.
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post #9 of 10
11/14/04 at 2:43am
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Adam really said it! Woohoo!!! And I was here thinking that the p4 had to have a 725 chipset while the 9860 had a 715. Maybe Intel is nicer than I thought
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post #10 of 10
11/14/04 at 9:31pm
I do not think you can upgrade to the 64 bit version of Intel because it will be using a new faster bus and different datapath. To answer the question about 64bit OS and the implementation of it. The 64 bit version of XP will be released in the first half of 2005 acoording to a source from MS. So next year will be the year of 64 bit OS and CPU's. AMD is coming out soon with the DUAL core 64bit CPU. This means 2 CPU's into one Chip. You need a 64 bit OS to run this at full potential so AMD will be making sure that there will be drivers for it as will INTEL.
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