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post #61 of 70
There is already rudimentary information out on Hypertransport 2.0, such as these (sorry, not in English):
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/27466
http://www.hardware.fr/news/6338/Hyp...-22.4-Gos.html

Basically, what these say is that HT-II will be anywhere from 3.2 GBit/s per channel full duplex, and can be multiplexed in 32 channel aggregates for upto 12.8 GByte/s in each direction, and 25.6 GB/s duplex. And this could be first implemented on the socket 939 platform.

HT 1.2 will also be much faster than the 1000 MHz single, and 2000MHz both directions currently on S939. HT1.2 will implement 1400 MHz one direction and 2800 both, and could be out in Q3 05 on the Opteron/A64s.
post #62 of 70
So can we change the title of this thread to "Argument of what might be the best processor technology next year in the 3rd quarter" ? jeeze Whatever it is, AMD or Intel, I hope it is cheap and kicks some serious butt so I can play HL2 maxed out with my PCI-e upgradeable graphics card and compile Pixar's next animated film for them in less than a day.

Oh wait, most of us already spent our money on notebooks and won't be able to upgrade for a few years.
post #63 of 70
Ouch, so true
post #64 of 70
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Originally Posted by Sanna
Ouch, so true
Now we just have to realize that:
Life is NOT tiny silicon wafers, and the rest are more than just details.
post #65 of 70
I read all the thread, and... I would like to know your impression on my personal dilemma.
I must buy a nb with a budjet of 1600-1800€ (2,150-2,420$).
The 2 nb that I've found are:

1) Toshiba P30128 P4 532 3,06Ghz-1Gb-Ati9700 64Mb-60Gb 4200-17"WXGA
:http://it.computers.toshiba-europe.c...7&DISC_MODEL=0

2) Enface(Italian Compal I think) M805D PM 1,8-512Mb-9700 128Mb-15,4" "Glare Type" (Enface told me it's similar to x-black or TruBrite)
http://www.enface.it/ita/ethane805d_tec.php

I don't comprise Toshiba policy to use P4 533FSB and not P4 800FSB

Thanks for every response
post #66 of 70
That is not a compal, it is a Mitac 8050 (D - It appears). There are several reviews of it here on the forums.

However, that Mitac seems to have a new color (the black).
post #67 of 70
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mormy
I read all the thread, and... I would like to know your impression on my personal dilemma.
I must buy a nb with a budjet of 1600-1800€ (2,150-2,420$).
The 2 nb that I've found are:

1) Toshiba P30128 P4 532 3,06Ghz-1Gb-Ati9700 64Mb-60Gb 4200-17"WXGA
:http://it.computers.toshiba-europe.c...7&DISC_MODEL=0

2) Enface(Italian Compal I think) M805D PM 1,8-512Mb-9700 128Mb-15,4" "Glare Type" (Enface told me it's similar to x-black or TruBrite)
http://www.enface.it/ita/ethane805d_tec.php

I don't comprise Toshiba policy to use P4 533FSB and not P4 800FSB

Thanks for every response

What are your specific needs?

The only advantage of a P4 is video/audio encoding and content creation; so if you don't meddle with these often, then certainly go with the PM, the P4M is nearly a dinasaur in the world of Laptops, even the desktop lines will be built more like the PM in the near future. If price is comparable, or if price is not an issue, always go with the PM. Or if you simply need raw performance, then Mobile Athlon 64 would be a much better way to go.
post #68 of 70
back to what the thread originally started as. wth is the beef? r ppl who actually have a beef w/ the review new to computer hardware reviews? yeah it was overclocked, anyone who read it and didn't notice it, given the fact that it was talked about deliberately (as most CPU, GPU, and RAM reviews do, when overclocking is discussed) needs to spend some more time on the tech sites for cripesakes.

yes there's very little overclocking options built into laptops CPU-wise. why did they review it in the way they did? bc they had a freakin desktop mobo to see what the wings r really like on the PM, or if it had any to speak of. why do this? cuz as we know, those of us who keep on on the tech stuff, that sometimes the stuff you have is held down by the other components. (i.e.-the new mobo from ATI for the AMD64 chips with integrated ATI graphics, which is considered by many as a design win as the integrated ATI graphics will beat the pants off of every other IG solution.) to the common person who walks into bestbuy and finds out they can get a budget 64 system for way cheap, this seems like a deal. for someone who knows their arse from their elbow, this setup is idiotic, and one is left wanting to see what the chipset is really capable of w/ discrete graphics. have i made my point? in any case, i don't want to go on too much.

do i mind finding out how fast the PM will be running to speed increases from now? no not at all. it gives me and others a clue as to which is a better technology, the same way i like to see how fast P4s and AMD64s can be clocked desktop or otherwise. i want to know what the legs are like on the technology out their. so yes it's currently unfeasible to have this chip at this speed in your notebook right now. will i crap a flock of canaries over it? no.

is it pointless to address this issue in a mobile chip? no, not when desktop parts are being manufactured for it and intel has decided to build desktops around it as well. in short, it's not likely to be a strictly mobile for long due its outstanding capabilities and the design flaws of the P4. throw in SSE3, if not 64 bit abilities, and u might have a truly wicked CPU. why show us what we can't have just after we invested in our lappies? good question, but take the time to think about who will be buying what. i personally don't have the $ for ongoing upgrades. but some do. some have the $ to buy a new lappy every 6 months to a year. needless to say taking the top of the line component and finding out how far u can push it, i would argue, is most likely to impact those who can actually buy it.

me? i'd be swayed by a 1.5Ghz dothan overclocking to 2.3, that'd be sweet and i'd actually think about whether i could work that same magic in a notebook. honestly, if ODMs like compal and uniwill built OC capabilities into the laptop mobos like their desktop counterparts do, just think of the market for it, as dell, compaq, etc wouldn't touch it if paid. maybe OCing mobile CPUs actually in a laptop is the next step in the consumer DIY marketplace, who knows? sound crazy? it's already being done in GPUs by the GPU makers. will it happen? again, who knows? in any case, i like said reviews cuz it's a simple way for me to wonder and imagine what's out there for the next big step. it reassures me that someone out there besides me is dissatisfied w/ what the market segments to us in spoon-fed rations and is willing to go to the next level.

ok i'm done ranting. sorry if i've been long-winded or offensive.
post #69 of 70
No one is critisizing the review's methods, or its findings.

But only the conclusion it seems to suggest, that Dothan is as fast as P4EE and AFX, when it has been OCed the way it would never be able to in any consumer laptop today.

Of course we can say that tomorrow's PM (which has no firm schedule yet, I mind you) can be as fast as today's gaming rigs, but that would be the same kind of argument as to say that the German Luftwaffe can mow down Attila the Hun with ease, or the Shogun Samurai can't put a dent in the M1A1; only to a lesser degree.

It may not be in the article, but only in the minds of some who try to find any way possible to extol their own brand or model or whatever while gulping down their own coolade; not seeing that tests like this, while tantalizing, should never be used to judge the performance of any computer chip OF TODAY.

This kind of brand-nepotism gets really tiring after a while, when people start to lose their objectivity, and get pigeon holed in a few slanted arguments in their favor, while disregarding the large majority of the body of facts.
post #70 of 70
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Originally Posted by HardBall
What are your specific needs?

The only advantage of a P4 is video/audio encoding and content creation; so if you don't meddle with these often, then certainly go with the PM, the P4M is nearly a dinasaur in the world of Laptops, even the desktop lines will be built more like the PM in the near future. If price is comparable, or if price is not an issue, always go with the PM. Or if you simply need raw performance, then Mobile Athlon 64 would be a much better way to go.
I must stay away home for 6-7 months, so I'm searching a replacent for my desktop 'til july 2005.
In Italy doesn't exist a nb with Athlon 64 and Ati 9700

Thanks all
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