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Probably been posted before, but I thought I'd let everyone know again.

Saw them all today. Brief, noncoherent impressions:

Favorite: Asus W1, $2399. Butt expensive, but had the best overall looks and build quality. The WSXGA+ screen is a must, and it was the best screen of them all. Screen wasn't as bright as I thought, though it was plenty good. Contrast, vibrancy of colors, and viewing angles were all better than the dell ultrasharp wsxga+ 1680x1050 that I am typing on right now. But I'm not sure about the brightness. W1's sound was good, higher quality than this inspiron 8600's, but probably not as much raw maximum loudness.

The one I came for: M6BNE: 1280x800 ain't going to get it done for me. Not after being used to 1400x1050 and 1680x1050. Screen wasn't as bright as I'd thought. I do not feel that this screen that everyone has been saying is so awesome is all that awesome. My dell inspiron 8600's screen is a samsung screen, and I think the M6BNE's screen had probably better colors, but not as bright as the ultrasharp. I did not get to see one with 1400x1050, which is what I really wanted. Build quality was better than my dell, and the keyboard was so-so. Had some flex, more than the W1's. It was pretty light, noticeably lighter than the W1, but not by much. Just enough for me to notice. It's not thick, and it is quality. The lids on the W1 and the M6BNE were sturdy, but nowhere near as sturdy as my inspiron 8600. My inspiron 8600 is heavier than both of those, but not by as much as I had thought now that I'm back home. There is no LCD rippling when pressing on my inspiron 8600 lid, but there wasn't on the asus models either, but it still gave more. The thinkpad T41 that I have had's lid puts all these models to shame. Rather, it's more like the T41 is exception good regarding the sturdiness of its LCD back cover, rather than the asus being bad

Final conclusion, with more finality to be added later:
There is no perfect notebook.
The Asus notebooks are plenty fine, but honestly, I think the T41 is made better. The keyboard is better, and I actually thought the T41 screen 14.1" nonflexview that I've used was on par with the Asus screens and this dell ultrasharp, although I agree it's not quite as bright. I was really after better viewing angles, and my T41 it turns out was alright after all.
The T41 kept popping into my head as I checked out the asus, as well as the inspiron 8600. The T41's keyboard is way way way better than the Asus, and not even in the same world as the inspiron 8600's (which is the worst of them all). And the 14" T41 is quite a bit lighter, but of course you lose some ports and stuff that would be nice to have. The dell 8600, which is actually quite a bit cheaper if you buy it at the right time, is certainly no slouch and I feel has the best bang for the buck. If bucks are not a problem, the W1 and the T41 would give you the most pure bang. After seeing these laptops in person, the M6bne is OFF my list now b/c I'd frankly rather have the dell inspiron 8600 at $300 cheaper than the M6bne. I think I'd rather have the T41 over the W1 as well. Slightly different laptop categories, I know, but I just wanted think and light 14 or 15.4" laptops. The W1 does not bring enough to the table with its added weight over the T41 to dethrone it. And I just sold my T41. Now I wish I hadn't. Idiot.
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As I have pointed out before, it all depends what screen is installed by the manufacturer in the one unit that you happen to get. Dell, HP, IBM, ASUS, and many others spec screens from multiple LCD manufacturers as "meeting their specs". That way, their production lines never get shut down because there are no LCD panels available. Instead, they simply make a "running line change" and swap in a different LCD panel.
I saw an HP notebook and panel that I really liked a lot, ordered the "identical" notebook model, and got a totally different, horrible LCD panel (which I sent back for a refund.)
Bottom line...you normally can't see someone else's notebook screen, say "I like it", order one, and get the same screen.
The manufacturers know that 99+ percent of consumers can not tell the difference and/or don't care.

Andrew
Austin, TX


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Originally Posted by pufftissue
...I actually thought the T41 screen 14.1" nonflexview that I've used was on par with the Asus screens and this dell ultrasharp, although I agree it's not quite as bright. I was really after better viewing angles, and my T41 it turns out was alright after all.
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Thread Starter 
Well CRAP, then. How can anyone make any statements about an LCD screen, then, if they vary from model to model?
What about the Sager 3790? Doesn't everyone universally praise that screen? Maybe they only have 1 source for that one?
Well, CRAP, then. Does buying a notebook have to be a lottery-like experience every single time?
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Pretty much. Maybe Sager and some others DO have a single source for their panels, I have no idea, maybe someone can reply.

But, for sure, manufacturers with multiple panels include:
Dell, HP and IBM.
I have no idea what the others do.
Dell and HP are the BIGTIME companies who have multiple sources for all of their parts. Dell even has multiple ODM's who assemble with multiple parts. So, you can see 8 Dell products all lined up together, and they all "look" the same, they all have the same part number and description (as far as the consumer is concerned) and they are all different.

Yes, I have discovered that, usually, you have to see the notebook you are getting to see what parts you are going to get.
Years ago, I worked in a computer engineering department, and saw much of this (multiple suppliers) and also "cost reductions". When a computer model is marketed that is successful, the engineering department is often called on to "cost reduce" that model. That can mean just about anything: fewer capacitors on a motherboard to save 35 cents per unit, thinner plastic, cheaper LCD, virtually anything. Again, the average consumer has no idea. They have seen a "T3200" in a local store, they order a "T3200" and assume that it will be the same. It arrives, it looks the same, so they are happy.

I am not trying to scare anyone, that is just one of the realities of consumer electronics.

Andrew
Austin, TX


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Originally Posted by pufftissue
...Well, CRAP, then. Does buying a notebook have to be a lottery-like experience every single time?
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