9860 is dated. the only laptop worth getting is 4750.

So how about the intermediary period before the unveiling? I'm sure XP64 is faster in some respects, but I'd bet little of them have to do with 3D gaming, which is Sager's biggest selling point.

You want cutting edge? Just wait for the next Linux Kernel!

They'll probably go back on that, like they keep doing with XFS. We were supposed to have a XFS in Win95 and every version since then. All we've got is NTFS. Longhorn was supposed to have this new miracle file system and then they decided it wouldn't.

One of the main reasons people use Windows is because of it's broad compatibility with their existing and future hardware. Odds are slim Microsoft is going to go back on the reputation that they have built up of having the most compatible OS ever made.

i feel really sorry for you for having the true outdated unit.

what is outdated is the AMD A64 754 socket processores without DDR2 or even Dual channel support. hope you understands that the memory controller for the A64 is on the cpu, so no matter what motherboard you upgrade to you'll always be stuck with DDR1 Single Channel.

i hope Hypersonic don't back out on that upgrade trade in deal for you, they have any update on that yet?

by the time 64bit os is out for the mass guess what? your ATI9700 will not only be outdated chances of you getting a updated 64bit driver for your entire unit is zero to none.

guess what? currently INTEL is making a 64bit extention CPU call the EMT64. non of what you think is 64bit is true 64bit they are just 32bit with 64bit extentions. only true 64bit processor is already out and it's the Server processors require server OS.

the rumor of these new INTEL EMT64 cpu is said to be named the 600 series due out early'05 and it will be supported by current 9x5 chipsets. guess what? the NP9860 uses the 915P chipset. can you upgrade to Dual Channel or DDR2?

SOOOO go back and cry us a river because the NP9860 is not outdated.

if you think your OUTDATED AGP MR9700 with AMD A64 754pin with Single Channel DDR1 will still be able to run longhorn with 3D desktop that requires DX10 + high memory BW you have a screw loose in your head.

Personally I would rather have a 32bit processor on 64bit PCI-e bus architecture, that might possibly have the option to support a 64bit processor. Then have a 64bit processor on a 32bit bus architecture. IMHO even with the release of longhorn the 4750 will come no where near the performance of the 9860, especially considering by the time longhorn comes out the 4750 will still have the MR9700, and who know what the 9860 will have as an upgrade option by then? As far as we have been able to determine from Sager/Clevo the 4750 and all other non PCI-e system have already been dated to be discontinued and replaced by PCI-e version. Now if AMD had a PCI-e notebook with support for their 64bit processors you may have something there.

What good is a 64bit O.S. without 64bit Applicaitons?

I wonder how much panic and speculation this will cause?

In case some of you aren't aware... Intel is adding 64bit extensions to their Xeon line which I very much doubt will make it into laptops. AMD made the commitment to include 64bit processors in their entire line several years ago. Intel, with all of their might, is playing catchup and will do so for some time to come.

Intel's 64bit Xeon is based on AMD64. Intel is essentially using AMD technology. In addition, Intel is not taking full advantage of the instruction set pioneered by AMD. It's already been proven in linux benchmarks that Intel's 64bit implementation is inferior to AMD's. Intel put all of their eggs in the Itanic, a boat which has been taking on water since the early 90's.

With that said, the title of this thread is just stupid. The 9860 has some major advantages over the 4750, namely the PCI express Geforce card. The problem with this laptop is that it appears to be gi-normous. For a 17" screen, the 4750's size is perfect, but I wouldn't want anything bigger or heavier.

4750 users will get a nice boost in performance down the road when WinXP64 comes out (It's actually already out for free in Beta form). We're just waiting on better driver support.

As for the OnDie memory controller, that can only be seen as a plus at this point. It's going to be very interesting to see how AMD addresses this down the road. DDR2 has not produced any better performance than regular DDR so for now it's a moot point. In bandwidth intensive apps Athlon64 wipes the floor with the p4/pentium-m as a result of the memory controller.

I obviously prefer the 4750 over the 9860, but the 9860 has some serious +s. I'd much rather have a smaller laptop with the Dothan 2ghz with DDR400 and PCI express than the 9860.

-BT

oh, and about the XP64, I'm a microsoft certified partner, and I get my copy Q3 '05..... makes me wonder wiether the rest of that statement is still trustworthy

Wow. Somebody's a wee bit insecure with their purchase. If you're happy with your machine then great, but what's the point of running off at the mouth like that?

6800 > 9700

I think it will be sometime before the 64 bit world becomes mainstream. By the time it does The majority of people with the new 9860's (like me) will just buy the latest and greatest then. You make it sound like since we have the best of the best now we cant have it later. Do you really think the people dumping around 3k for a laptop now are in a financial situation where we wont buy later? I re-up my desktop and laptops ever 2 yrs or so

Oh man. How long have I been saying that j4ever is a goddamn retard? You should probably not ever reproduce, for the good of humanity. Although it's not apt to happen anyway. You seemingly have the need to showboat your 4750 even when the 9860 is its clear superior. Someone has a just a *teeny* inferiority complex. I would actually tell you to do something more drastic (which involves a gun, cliff, knife, whatever the hell you want) and yourself, but we're on a family board here. The worst thing is that you probably have the power to vote. Ugh.

Bah you PC people.

Us Sun and DEC/Compaq/HP/Whoever users have had 64 bit architectures since you were all in nappies.

I fart in your general direction (with appropriate Monty Python false French accent ). Your mother wore army boots and your father smelt of Elderberry...

From a Dilbert cartoon:
"Hold it right there buddy"
"That scruffy beard... those suspenders, that smug expression..."
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"

"Here's a nickel kid. Get yourself a better computer."

Unix RULES!

My Nintendo DS will kick the crap our of you 4750!

My Nintendo DS will kick the crap our of you 4750!

To bad with his wonderful AMD64bit his MR9700 is going to hold him back. Really J4ever, why do you only come on to B*tch and moan, whine and complain. For once it would be nice to actually see a useful, helpful post by you. As it stands, the 4750 isn't even in the same league...yes it has a nice processor..but thats all its got going for it... Careful, dont choke on my dust..

To Quote Ogre.. stop being a raving lunatic

j4ever needs a hug.

If i am using the same notebook when 64bit is the norm then i have really done something wrong with my life.

I don't even have the 9860. Does that mean my 3790 is practically the Dark Ages?? There's always something better around the corner. Most computers are essentially dated a month or two after you buy them. Of course, if you wait for the computer that will be cutting edge indefinitely, you will forever be waiting for a new computer.