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post #81 of 368
11/24/04 at 9:29am
Interesting. I guess time will tell. I hope AMD keeps up the good work and someday MS will release the Win64 that can take advantage of 64bit format. But i fear that by the time MS comes out with Win64, Intel will release their own 32/64 hybrid or 64bit cpu because MS and intel are known to be working with each together and help each other to retain their monopoly. But i sure hope to see one of those AMD64 CPU desgined for long battery and good performance.
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post #82 of 368
11/24/04 at 10:36am
It really is too bad that so many people here are set on one brand. You guys should know that it always works in cycles, one company is ahead and the other is catching up, then it does so and so the first company must now catch up. So Intel has been in the lead with Centrino when it came out, and now AMD is catching up, just like AMD's Athlon 64 caught up (and surpassed) the Intel P4's when Hyperthreading first came out. Same thing with grafic cards really. All you really do is limit yourself when you shop by brand, but hey, do what you will
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post #83 of 368
11/24/04 at 12:43pm
I think that benchmarks should be done away with, and real life performance tests should be used instead. Like how much more lag an AMD has than an Intel or vice-versa. Everyone knows that small victories in benchmarks equate to virtually a 0% real life increase in performance.
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post #84 of 368
11/24/04 at 12:54pm
The better AMD does and the more products it can come out with that will hurt Intel, the better. That will spurr Intel to do the same.

In the end, competition = good for consumers.

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post #85 of 368
11/24/04 at 4:28pm
Intel just got too complacent due to their securing of a massive amount of OEM deals, where the real money is made, unlike AMD and controlling over 90% of the processor market, but if AMD started securing more and more OEM deals, i recon Intel would invest in a huge load of R&D and PR/Marketing, with Intel's resources, they can and will crush AMD completely if not set them back by a long way. But for the consumer, it's a win/win situation in the short term.
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post #86 of 368
11/24/04 at 4:40pm
I bought about $2000 worth of AMD stocks before they released consumer AMD64 processors. After I sold them, minus commission, I broke even. Meh...it seems like the market doesn't really care about technological advancements.
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post #87 of 368
11/24/04 at 4:50pm
AMD's PR isnt as good as Intel's i guess.
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post #88 of 368
11/24/04 at 5:22pm
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Originally Posted by NovaShine
AMD's PR isnt as good as Intel's i guess.
You are right, Intel's main advantage is the chokehold on the OEMs right now. But that has shown signs of slipping, and Dell is the only major OEM right now that does not sell AMD products.

Intel will be OK for a while, even if they make more blunders, because the sheer size of the company. I am in no way suggesting that AMD somehow will take over dominance. But if Intel even loses 25 percent of their market share, AMD's sales will double.

None of these events will be a knockout blow to a giant like Intel, but they are more like constant gnawing that fray its edges. But given enough time (5-10 yrs), if Intel does not retake the Perf. and Tech. leads, this could spell trouble.
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post #89 of 368
11/25/04 at 10:46am
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HardBall: I agree with you. Ed Stroligo also said it very well in this commentary:
http://www.overclockers.com/articles1112/
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Many buy Intel for the same reason they buy Sony televisions; the brand name has been branded into their brains, and buying that requires no additional effort on the part of the buyer.

Those willing to put more effort into the buying process can scream all they like about it, just like Toshiba fans can give all kinds of reasons for buying their product, but these folks aren't around to listen. They're not watching your channel.

This is not going to change anytime soon, and probably never will. This is not like Coke/Pepsi; AMD is more like Dr. Pepper/Seven Up. Even if AMD could match Intel dollar-for-dollar in advertising (which they can't; they don't have the money), it would take years and years to wear away that ingrown Intel Inside People's Heads.

Realistically, the only relatively quick way for that to be erased would be huge, long-term negative news about Intel. Not little geeky faults, more like Intel processors bursting into flames and killing users.
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post #90 of 368
11/25/04 at 1:13pm
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Realistically, the only relatively quick way for that to be erased would be huge, long-term negative news about Intel. Not little geeky faults, more like Intel processors bursting into flames and killing users.
LOL!! Who knows, if the Prescott 4GHz came out, it just may have...
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post #91 of 368
11/25/04 at 2:12pm
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Realistically, the only relatively quick way for that to be erased would be huge, long-term negative news about Intel. Not little geeky faults, more like Intel processors bursting into flames and killing users.
LOL, Multi-billion dollar lawsuite!
Maybe only in lappys though...
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post #92 of 368
11/25/04 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by Clonedancient
But i fear that by the time MS comes out with Win64, Intel will release their own 32/64 hybrid or 64bit cpu because MS and intel are known to be working with each together and help each other to retain their monopoly. But i sure hope to see one of those AMD64 CPU desgined for long battery and good performance.
Interesting indeed.

Intel has begun an effort to make it easier for sales partners in China and India to sell desktop computers running Linux, starting a more active phase in the company's help with the open-source operating system

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post #93 of 368
11/25/04 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by 46and2
Interesting indeed.

Intel has begun an effort to make it easier for sales partners in China and India to sell desktop computers running Linux, starting a more active phase in the company's help with the open-source operating system

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I really don't think MS would be in bed with Intel. MS is not a Hardware-Software vertically integrated company like Apple is, so its sales will also fluctuate with Hardware technology and prices.

A software maker like MS would like nothing better than to accelerate Hardware technology, so that they can pump out more CPU and Memory intensive developments.

And even more importantly, they want to keep the price of HW down, through competition; so that when the consumer purchases a system (HW + SW), the entire cost will be lower, and generate more sales for MS. One way to keep your own profit per piece of software up, and still increase in sales, is to keep the cost of Hardware down.

And that's what a fierce competition between Intel and AMD will do for MS. I think Bill Gates is smart enough to know that. That's also why AMD and Intel also support open source to a certain extent, to pressure MS to keep their prices down.
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post #94 of 368
11/25/04 at 4:41pm
Just another note, competition is always good for US, the consumers. I can only hope that some other software company will give MS some stiff competition in the PC world, and break their monopoly on OS, as AMD does to Intel in chip manufacturing.
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post #95 of 368
11/25/04 at 4:55pm
http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/...ouseamd_1.html

Good for stirring up the pot.....(c;
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post #96 of 368
11/25/04 at 4:59pm
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MS is a strong supporter of AMD64:

How MS will end the Dell - Intel love-in
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post #97 of 368
11/25/04 at 9:32pm
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Originally Posted by snorre
MS is a strong supporter of AMD64:

How MS will end the Dell - Intel love-in

Well, if that happens, I will probably buy Dell every time. Dell has the right feel, looks, price, and great service, you just can't go wrong with them. The only thing is that there is no choice in chips, and they are slightly behind the technological curve.

But if Dell starts to offer AMD and Intel, I don't see any reason to buy from any other OEM.
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post #98 of 368
11/25/04 at 11:41pm
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Well, if that happens, I will probably buy Dell every time. Dell has the right feel, looks, price, and great service, you just can't go wrong with them. The only thing is that there is no choice in chips, and they are slightly behind the technological curve.

But if Dell starts to offer AMD and Intel, I don't see any reason to buy from any other OEM.
You're kidding right? Maybe if you need a cheap deal on a computer, but the quality side can be lacking, especially if you don't buy one of their business class notebooks. The looks of the dells are not exactly beautiful or stunning or even slightly out of the ordinary by any means. Maybe add a quicksnap cover and they'll look a little better, ok.
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post #99 of 368
11/25/04 at 11:46pm
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You're kidding right? Maybe if you need a cheap deal on a computer, but the quality side can be lacking, especially if you don't buy one of their business class notebooks. The looks of the dells are not exactly beautiful or stunning or even slightly out of the ordinary by any means. Maybe add a quicksnap cover and they'll look a little better, ok.
You know he meant the Desktop and server right?
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post #100 of 368
11/26/04 at 12:30am
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You know he meant the Desktop and server right?
Nothing in that post said desktop or server, he said Dell. So one would have to read the article linked and know he was just referring to that. I didn't want anyone to think that they "couldn't go wrong buying a dell". That would be a fallacy. I agree with the other things he had to say though about the MS, AMD, Intel relationship. But you still can't convince me every person will find exactly what they need for their company in the scope of Dell's offerings or service.
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