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post #121 of 248
12/2/04 at 9:35pm
Good luck! I hope you get it to capture the flaw.
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post #122 of 248
12/2/04 at 9:55pm
I've been using my WUXGA for a while now and I think I like this sparkle effect. A lot. I mean, it's not very true to colors, but I think it makes DVDs look extraordinary. It's a personal preference thing, and only the complainers are posting right now. People who like their machines are less likely to post. I say use it a bit and see if you like it. I think it's much better than the glare and reflections on TruBrite screens, and it's way brighter and the viewing angles are much improved over the SXGA+ on my i4000. I don't really mind this "noise" / "sparkle".
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post #123 of 248
12/2/04 at 10:05pm
I think this is a pretty good pic of what the screen looks like. It looks like digital noise, like you would see on a high-ISO digital photo.

(Edit: Picture removed because it was apparently unhelpful. No use using up bandwidth.)
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post #124 of 248
12/2/04 at 10:10pm
Sparkle effect & BenQ's FP71e+ LCD (8ms latency time ) :

"...Then during screening, we noticed some difficulties in rendering certain tones. There is some "sparkle" on color masses, but this is not really a problem if you watch from a reasonable distance...."

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/dis...5/benq-07.html
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post #125 of 248
12/2/04 at 10:30pm
I was really close to pushing the final confirm button to purchase a WUXGA i9200, but hopefully this issue will be more resolved by the time the next good set of coupons become available.

The coating may be acting as an array of micro lenses at varying angles. This would explain why smaller pixels would be more visible than larger ones. I suspect the goal of wider viewing angles may be partially responsible.

I compared matte and reflective screens at a store, and the matted ones all had this to some degree. None of the matte screens were WUXGA, so it's a bit apples and oranges - and some lemons too.
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post #126 of 248
12/2/04 at 10:34pm
"Nitto Denko will introduce its new linear polarizing film, ARC 150, which combines a new anti-glare (AG) surface with an anti-reflection (AR) coating for use on high-resolution notebook PCs. This product is making it possible, for the first time, for notebook PC makers to incorporate AR coatings on their LCDs, and several are doing so, says Nitto Denko. Many AG surfaces previously used on high-resolution TFT-LCDs cause a sparkling effect. The ARC 150 surface profile was created specifically for high-resolution displays, so images are crisp and clean without white blurring or sparkle, the company says."
http://www.sid.org/pressroom/020510.html

http://www.nitto.com/product/datashe...001/index.html
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post #127 of 248
12/2/04 at 10:37pm
Did anyone think that maybe the special anti glare coating is actually a film similar to the NuShield? Perhaps it's a removable film.

Just a thought...

Sorry andy but I can't really tell the effect from your photo...the picutre looks fine to me...guess it's something you have to see for yourself.
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post #128 of 248
12/2/04 at 10:51pm
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Originally Posted by Thor79
Did anyone think that maybe the special anti glare coating is actually a film similar to the NuShield? Perhaps it's a removable film.

Just a thought...

Sorry andy but I can't really tell the effect from your photo...the picutre looks fine to me...guess it's something you have to see for yourself.
It's not a removeable film...
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post #129 of 248
12/3/04 at 1:58am
No, it's not a removable film, but *trust me*: once you get used to it it's actually quite breathtaking. You just have to adapt a little bit to a new "norm."
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post #130 of 248
12/3/04 at 2:50am
My 9200 with WUXGA screen is in production right now estimated to ship on Dec 7. I have been reading here in this forum and also in the Dell's community forum how many report on being very disspointed with the bad quality picture of this screen.

I have to admit I am really upset now , after paying a ton of money for this computer, and wondering if I might get a machine with a screen I would not like. When you work digital media, like I do, the picture quality is very important.

Do you think I should cancel my order before it ships out?
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post #131 of 248
12/3/04 at 3:07am
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Originally Posted by andycogbill
No, it's not a removable film, but *trust me*: once you get used to it it's actually quite breathtaking. You just have to adapt a little bit to a new "norm."
Well, it's not so breathtaking according to Inspiron9200!
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post #132 of 248
12/3/04 at 3:39am
Maybe we are guinea pigs for this new product. I mean, if this is "new and improved" technology for UXGA screens, then from now on, all other models with this type of screen will also have this problem.
So its either to test the waters on this new screen, a BS answer from tech support, or really "new" technology. When all others go on and improve on briteness and clarity, we get grainy sparkly crap.

Hmmm... sounds like BS to me.

I'm just hoping to receive my UXGA screen to look at it, and then return it. This 7+ days of boxing is killing me.
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post #133 of 248
12/3/04 at 4:27am
Wonder what it would look like with a Nushield on it?
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post #134 of 248
12/3/04 at 6:06am
Here is a magnified image of a 9200 screen compared to an Apple 20" Cinema LCD. These shots are in different lighting and not properly color corrected, but they are fairly accurate representations of these screens under magnification.

http://www.pbase.com/images/37062932.jpg

I am still unable to capture how these screens appear at normal viewing distance. Keep in mind that this photo captured highly magnified screens, and these screens look a lot smoother further away, with the Apple looking like a piece of paper and the 9200 being pretty good.

I think I am getting more used to the 9200 WUXGA. Still I wish it would look as smooth as the Apple. Ask me again in a week.
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post #135 of 248
12/3/04 at 11:48am

Thank you for the pictures!

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Originally Posted by unclejung
Here is a magnified image of a 9200 screen compared to an Apple 20" Cinema LCD. These shots are in different lighting and not properly color corrected, but they are fairly accurate representations of these screens under magnification.

http://www.pbase.com/images/37062932.jpg

I am still unable to capture how these screens appear at normal viewing distance. Keep in mind that this photo captured highly magnified screens, and these screens look a lot smoother further away, with the Apple looking like a piece of paper and the 9200 being pretty good.

I think I am getting more used to the 9200 WUXGA. Still I wish it would look as smooth as the Apple. Ask me again in a week.

After seeing those pictures I just canceled my 9200 order over the phone to get a full refund (including the shipping) - since the laptop was still in production. Although you mention the pictures were taken in different lighting and color conditions, there is a visible difference in the image quality between the two screens (the Apple obviously looking much better).

Therefore, I said to myself, why should I pay Dell over $ 140 for shipping just to get dissapointed by the screen, and then pay again shipping for returning it within 21 days?

I would rather go to a mall that has a Dell center and look at the 9200 there to see if I like the resolution of the screen or not. I should have done that before even placing the order. I am really grateful to all those of you who already received the machine and immediately informed the rest of us about the 17" WUXGA screen problem. Again, thank you for the pictures unclejung!
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post #136 of 248
12/3/04 at 12:24pm
Thread Starter 
Hey Guys,

THose people that returned there i9200, did they charge you for shipping and if so, how much? i ruturned mine but i forget to ask for shipping charges.

Maybe its just me but because of many returns, dont you think Dell is making a little money from shipping charges? And because of many returns, do you think they should pay us back(if charged) for shipping because its a fault in there behalf?
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post #137 of 248
12/3/04 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by DanO
I received my 9200 today with the UXGA screen, and I am seeing the same exact thing everyone else is seeing. I am watching a DVD right now, and I noticed that this screen anomaly makes it appear horrible. It looks like and analog video capture from a VHS tape.

Also, I find myself wanting to wipe the screen as if it has a film on it. Photos don't appear as good as they should. They seem to have jagged edges if they are lower resolution - almost like the screen over enhances jpeg artifacts.

This is a slight problem since I purchased this laptop mainly for photos and video. Needless to say, I am going to try to get a replacement with the XGA+ screen. I really love this laptop aside from the display.
Are you still going to get a replacement with the XGA+ screen? If so, would you let us know if it is much better quality than wuxga?
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post #138 of 248
12/3/04 at 12:54pm
Hey, to keep up the other side of this argument, I'm just going to say that I've been using Word for about 3 hours straight now and let me just say that I'm loving this screen. Even on the white background, if you're far enough away this screen is just crisp and ironically very easy on the eyes. Just a thought -- give those 21 trial days a go, I think it's worth it.
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post #139 of 248
12/3/04 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by unclejung
Here is a magnified image of a 9200 screen...
That is a great shot, unclejung. If other 9200 owners agree that its a fair representation of their screen problem, I think that pic needs to be circulated to several tech media editors along with a suggestion that Dell recall all LCDs using this funky coating.
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post #140 of 248
12/3/04 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by inspiron9200
Hey Guys,

THose people that returned there i9200, did they charge you for shipping and if so, how much? i ruturned mine but i forget to ask for shipping charges.

Maybe its just me but because of many returns, dont you think Dell is making a little money from shipping charges? And because of many returns, do you think they should pay us back(if charged) for shipping because its a fault in there behalf?
They should pay their customers back in full (including shipping), especially when they come out with a new product, and charge you so much money for something that should be superior quality when in fact is inferior to other 17" screens on the market (at least according to what so many have been posting in different forums). But hey, that's how big corporations make money on us their cutomers.
The 9200 whould have been my third Dell computer. I might be moving in a different direction. I was eyeing the Sony VAIO 290 but was not satisfied with only 64MB of video memory and with a 4200rpm hard disk. Suggestions?
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