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post #81 of 268
7/31/03 at 8:05pm
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Originally posted by phubar
More power to you guys. If you like 1280x1040 resolution, then the SXGA is perfect for you.

It's us screen hog types that are crying over the loss of the UXGA n the 8890. Yes, I admit it, I am a complete screen hog - I find 1400x1050 cramped, and, call me a mutant, but I can read text at 1600x1200 on 15" just fine.

I just wish people would realize that one man's perfect screen is another man's nightmare to work with, and stop bashing each other over which screen is "better". It's personal preference - state your opinion and leave it at that. Just like Slacker did (nice post, Slacker).

-phubar
Yup there should a choice of SXGA or UXGA. Come on SAGER, it's not that hard!

BTW: What's next after the 8890? 8900? I mean, will they completely drop the 88XX chasis, etc? How about when they reach 5690? Are they going to go with a completely new chasis as well as a new model number? (Assuming that they go to 57XX)
I know this sounds really dumb, but....

BTW: Reading text on a UXGA is easy. It's called changing the size as displayed, meaning that you can have for example word display all text larger, so that the 10 pt. Times New Roman is still 10 pt. but it is simply larger. You can do the same in IE, etc. etc.
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post #82 of 268
7/31/03 at 8:07pm
quit yer bitchin people. just use windows xp and enbale multi desktop
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post #83 of 268
7/31/03 at 9:49pm
is it possible to go above the native resolution with the sxga.....say i wanna go to 1600x1200, is it possible and how will it look? any inputs greatly appreciated
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post #84 of 268
7/31/03 at 10:08pm
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Originally posted by Killafornia
is it possible to go above the native resolution with the sxga.....say i wanna go to 1600x1200, is it possible and how will it look? any inputs greatly appreciated
No can do senor. LCD after all stands for Liquid Crystal Display meaning that each pixel is a little liquid crystal (to be crude and unexact) which lights up in one color. Now, the crystals can fake lower rez. by making each "pixel" multiple lit crystals, bu the cannot go above the native rez. because there is no way physically that each crystal could pretend to be more than one.
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post #85 of 268
7/31/03 at 10:10pm


btw: what language do you speak....those letters under your sig look like thai writing or laos...
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post #86 of 268
7/31/03 at 10:16pm
You could actually make it go above 1280x1024... just add a few crystals. Move over the others and squeeze in some crystals bought at say Walmart. Takes a few hours, but I'm sure you can do it! Mind over matter...
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post #87 of 268
7/31/03 at 11:01pm
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Originally posted by Killafornia


btw: what language do you speak....those letters under your sig look like thai writing or laos...
Thai (damn silly Windows Thai font is f-ing around again)
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post #88 of 268
7/31/03 at 11:02pm
Hey Berek,

Your name has really been itching my brain. Is that name a character from the Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever Series?
I read both trilogys, geez maybe over 20 years ago. And I faintly remember Berek Halfhand, or sumthin like it. I thnk he was assigned to be Thomas' bodyguard.
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post #89 of 268
7/31/03 at 11:26pm
Ding ding! yes Great books, I have them. The name caught my attention as a good character for roleplaying and such.
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post #90 of 268
7/31/03 at 11:59pm
I like the 1600x1200 for web editing but I also like gaming and the ghosting on my current 8887 is killing me. Im sending mine in for RMA next week, so hopefully they will replace it with the new 16.0 and Ill give it a shot. I need to build a desktop computer this weekend so that I can work next week when I dont have my LT :*(

Any reports on ghosting of the 16.0 vs the 16.1?

Jeff
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post #91 of 268
8/1/03 at 2:29am
Am I the only one that's wondering why nobody has posted pictures of the 16" screen for the 1000 people who've requested? It shouldn't take you more than 1-2 minutes to snap and upload! Come on, pleeease...
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post #92 of 268
8/1/03 at 3:31am
!!!!!!!!!!!
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post #93 of 268
8/1/03 at 4:03am
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Any reports on ghosting of the 16.0 vs the 16.1?
From what I have heard the 16" sxga has no ghosting. Which is why I would choice it over the uxga.

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Am I the only one that's wondering why nobody has posted pictures of the 16" screen for the 1000 people who've requested? It shouldn't take you more than 1-2 minutes to snap and upload! Come on, pleeease...
The 16" sxga has only been out for a couple of weeks. It is quite posable that no one on this forum has one. Expecaly since most ppl on this forum are waiting for the 8890 or 5780.
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post #94 of 268
8/1/03 at 10:36am
Good point Slacker. I know Adam knows about our request. If he has the time perhaps he'll be able to work something up for all us that are curious . It will be great, i know that, but I still want to know HOW great
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post #95 of 268
8/1/03 at 10:52am

Answer to no UXGA on 8890...Dell Precision M60

I've been reading this forum for a couple of months now and have been waiting for the 8890. Then my thinkpad died and I needed to get something quick. Then I found out the 8890 is 1280x1024 which will not work for me. I do lots of stock trading and need to display detailed charts that fit on one screen and I need the dots.

The Dell Precision M60 came out recently. It's 15.4" WUXGA, 1920x1200 which has 76% more pixels than SXGA. You can get a 60gig 7200RPM hard drive. It runs Pentium M at 1.4, 1.6, or 1.7. The Pentium 4M is equivalent is 50% faster more so 1.6gig Pentium M is the same speed as a 2.4gig Pentium 4M. It will get triple the battery life of the sager as well.

I'm not saying its better than the 8890. 800FSB with raided 60gig HDs and a Hyperthreading processor will scream, but I must say the SXGA screen was a huge disappointment...Like putting a 4 cylinder engine into a porsche or something.

Maybe I'll look at Sager again when the dell dies in 2006.

Very disappointed with this SXGA decision.
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post #96 of 268
8/1/03 at 11:39am

Re: Answer to no UXGA on 8890...Dell Precision M60

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Originally posted by agoroman
I've been reading this forum for a couple of months now and have been waiting for the 8890. Then my thinkpad died and I needed to get something quick. Then I found out the 8890 is 1280x1024 which will not work for me. I do lots of stock trading and need to display detailed charts that fit on one screen and I need the dots.

The Dell Precision M60 came out recently. It's 15.4" WUXGA, 1920x1200 which has 76% more pixels than SXGA. You can get a 60gig 7200RPM hard drive. It runs Pentium M at 1.4, 1.6, or 1.7. The Pentium 4M is equivalent is 50% faster more so 1.6gig Pentium M is the same speed as a 2.4gig Pentium 4M. It will get triple the battery life of the sager as well.

I'm not saying its better than the 8890. 800FSB with raided 60gig HDs and a Hyperthreading processor will scream, but I must say the SXGA screen was a huge disappointment...Like putting a 4 cylinder engine into a porsche or something.

Maybe I'll look at Sager again when the dell dies in 2006.

Very disappointed with this SXGA decision.
I respect what youi're saying-- that sounds like a good choice for you.

Keep in mind that claims that the M (Centrino?) is equivalent to 50% faster can be misleading marketing hype. For some specialized Office applications this may be the case, but certainly not for games which are of interest to many people here. (Or development tools I would imagine.)

Finally, I doubt that Sager made an "SXGA decision". I would imagine it's a problem with their suppliers and as soon as this is resolved they will offer UXGA as an option. Granted this is speculation on my part, but I think I read something about that on here before and it just makes sense.
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post #97 of 268
8/1/03 at 12:41pm
Thread Starter 
With the same specs, MANY people choose the SXGA over the UXGA because they don't need or want their LCD running 1600 X 1200.

For some people, they need or want to be able to run 1600 X 1200 and Sager is working on a UXGA screen as an option. Be thankful they're working on getting one with no ghosting and great specs instead of just grabbing whatever to say it's "UXGA".

With how hard they are working to get people what they want I'm very disappointed also... disappointed of everyone not seeing this.

The UXGA is not always better than the SXGA, it just runs at 1600X1200, which some people want, and some people think the display is too small. Yes, you can turn up the text and dpi, but it doesn't increase everything. With posts like this people are getting confused with all the hype. People are emailing and calling asking if the UXGA is that much better, I ask them what res they run and they usually say 1024X768 or 1280X1024. Then I tell them they don't need the UXGA if that's all they want to run. Then they say "but I read on the forums that...".

NO, if you're only going to run 1024X768 or 1280X1024, the SXGA in the 8890 and 8887 is all you need and will look better than most UXGA lcds when running at 1280X1024 because it's the LCDs native resolution. I don't know what the specs will be of the new UXGA, but the current SXGA appears to be a great display 2nd only to the 4760 17" LCD IMO of all the LCDs Sager has right now.

In the case of the 5680 though, the specs on the UXGA will probably be better, with wide angle view and higher contrast, so it is a better screen with the SXGA+ LCD on the 5680 (if it's the one in the 5670) being an average notebook LCD.
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post #98 of 268
8/1/03 at 12:48pm
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Originally posted by Adam@PCTorque
With how hard they are working to get people what they want I'm very disappointed also... disappointed of everyone not seeing this.
thanks Adam, that's good to know. i don't think we had that info before.
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post #99 of 268
8/1/03 at 1:41pm
It is a huge shame that some of the discussions on SXGA vs. UXGA have become a black and white "UXGA is better" kind of misconception. I think that arose from the disappointment over some people who genuinely prefer 1600x1200 that UXGA may not be offered immediately in the 8890.

Thanks to Adam for setting the record straight (again). It's not a matter of one being "better" than the other, it's just a different choice. Most people do prefer 1280x1024 (SXGA)!

Even though I would *prefer* UXGA, when my eyes get tired on my current laptop, I change to 1280x1024. I think I'm going to go for the 8890 with SXGA. As someone said earlier, you can use a Windows XP PowerToy to use multiple virtual desktops to help if you need a bunch of screen real-estate.
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post #100 of 268
8/1/03 at 1:53pm
there is no way to get the same workspace that 1600 provides.
multiple desktops is about the same as alt-tab. external monitor means you're on a desk.

anyway we've about beat this to death now. i can live with 1280 if i have to.
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